Nobby (John) Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 According to Bachmann's website, the range ( with some images) of N gauge buses came into stock in the past 30 days. Look quite good for N gauge models Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 That could prove expensive if they release a Routemaster... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 That could prove expensive if they release a Routemaster... Not in the current Bachmann plans, but Oxford Diecast already do an N Gauge RM of at least equal quality to what I have seen of the Bachmann ones... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Oh dear... I would thank you for sharing that but I'm not sure the wife or credit card will... I really need to research up on some late 80's/early 90's London buses too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Interesting how they look very much like larger EFE items - even down to how EFE approached the doors on the National... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Interesting how they look very much like larger EFE items - even down to how EFE approached the doors on the National... Well with the exception of the Park Royal Bodied Atlantean (done by BritBus in 4mm) the first releases are all types done in 4mm by EFE, but the two I've had in my hands (the VR and the Lodekka) are somewhat cruder... Look at the upper deck window pillars on those two for example, and in the case of the Lodekka it's not designed in the way the EFE is to allow for multiple variations... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 On the other hand it's made in plastic, so should be easier to alter than a diecast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 It is being suggested elsewhere that these (particularly the National and the VR) are closer to 1:160 scale than 1:148. (i.e. Continental rather than British N scale). Can anyone with one to hand please measure and post the width and length please... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 It is being suggested elsewhere that these (particularly the National and the VR) are closer to 1:160 scale than 1:148. (i.e. Continental rather than British N scale). Can anyone with one to hand please measure and post the width and length please... i have not seen the 1/160 suggestion which might be right for some, but not for others. My rough measurements are:- Bristol VRT 59.5mm long, 16.0mm wide, 26.0mm high Bristol FLF 57.5mm long, 15.4mm wide, 25.4mm high Bristol RELH 68.5mm long, 15.6mm wide, 19.0mm high National 71.5mm long, 15.7mm wide, 18.9mm over main roof not pod. Looks like the differences are less than the true track gauge difference between British and Continental N. I have not measured the diameter or concentricity of the headlights or of the interior bulkhead lamps. The spacing may be out on these. The glazing is convincing to the naked eye. I am impressed by what Bachmann have delivered. They have a realistic paint finish, they dismantle easily if you want to relivery, and they will be a vast improvement on many of the white metal kit buses adorning our layouts. By the way, rivet counters should not look at the National - it will disappoint. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 The long Leyland National in Mk.1 form was 11.3m long and 2.5m wide (the short version had a long window opposite the optional centre exit, so it's quite easy to spot the mix of window widths). In 1:148 that is 76.4mm long by 16.9mm; 1:152 74.3mm x 16.4mm; 1:160 70.6mm x 15.6mm (rounded to nearest 0.1mm). The N Gauge track width difference (1:148 as against 1:160) is about 0.7mm, the National is 1.2mm too narrow (for British N). However, they clearly vary as the VRT would be an 8ft wide design, so should be 16.5mm width. Given their introduction dates, I think the same probably applies to the width of the FLF and RELH. A bit more prototype research is needed to settle what scales they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 A VR with a BET style curved windscreen ECW body is 30ft 9in long by 8ft 2.5in wide. The 'standard' low height version is 13ft 8in high. Edit to add wheelbase is 16ft 2in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Interesting how they look very much like larger EFE items - even down to how EFE approached the doors on the National... I had exactly the same thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 A VR with a BET style curved windscreen ECW body is 30ft 9in long by 8ft 2.5in wide. The 'standard' low height version is 13ft 8in high. Edit to add wheelbase is 16ft 2in. Then the VR is also closest to 1:160 scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-CRS Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Best not park them with Oxford Diecast ones then, shame they have gone and dropped the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 My rough measurements are:-Bristol VRT 59.5mm long, 16.0mm wide, 26.0mm high Bristol FLF 57.5mm long, 15.4mm wide, 25.4mm high Bristol RELH 68.5mm long, 15.6mm wide, 19.0mm high National 71.5mm long, 15.7mm wide, 18.9mm over main roof not pod. The long Leyland National in Mk.1 form was 11.3m long and 2.5m wide (the short version had a long window opposite the optional centre exit, so it's quite easy to spot the mix of window widths). In 1:148 that is 76.4mm long by 16.9mm; 1:152 74.3mm x 16.4mm; 1:160 70.6mm x 15.6mm (rounded to nearest 0.1mm). A VR with a BET style curved windscreen ECW body is 30ft 9in long by 8ft 2.5in wide. The 'standard' low height version is 13ft 8in high. Thanks all. Taking the VR, giz's prototype dimemsions match my info for a low-height ECW body (14ft 6in for a high-bridge version) so: at 1:148 it should be L 63.3mm : W 16.9mm : H 28.3mm at 1:152 it should be L 61.6mm : W 16.4mm : H 27.5mm at 1:160 it should be L 58.5mm : W 15.6mm : H 26.2mm Therfore from Mike's measurements that one is circa 1:157 in Width and Length and 1:160 in height... Bernard is correct in his dimensions for a long Mk 1 National, and I'll add 3.05m height w/o Pod so: at 1:148 it should be L 76.4mm : W 16.9mm : H 20.6mm at 1:152 it should be L 74.3mm : W 16.4mm : H 20.1mm at 1:160 it should be L 70.6mm : W 15.6mm : H 19.1mm Therfore that one is circa 1:158 in Width and Length and 1:160 in height... So both of those are definitely underscale for British N Gauge... B*****r Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 There are drawings of the RELH here but the dims aren't really legible: http://www.bristol-re.co.uk/relhinfo.asp?p=3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 So both of those are definitely underscale for British N Gauge... B*****r Yep, you've only got to look at the doors on the VRT; they're a scale 5'3" tall in 1:148 And the Harrington Cavalier is underscale. Here's a pic of the VRT parked up against a 1:150 scale Daimler Fleetline (both backed up against a straight flat edge); It looks even smaller than 1:160 scale. G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I suppose some careful placing for 'perspective' would be the best solution...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Looks like it's back to the drawing board with the Class 141 idea then Such a pity - no overlap with what Oxford have done/planned, nor with the Cars Workshops Hong Kong range, made in plastic so easy to convert; pretty much every box ticked apart from scale! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Modeller Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 The VRT should be a bit lower than normal buses as it has ECW "lowbridge" bodywork - same with the Lodekkas (hence the name). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 The VRT should be a bit lower than normal buses as it has ECW "lowbridge" bodywork - same with the Lodekkas (hence the name).True, but see the maths class above: it is still 2.3mm (i.e. over 1 scale foot) lower than it should be for British N scale... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted December 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2011 Thanks to the posters who measured and calculated. This is a surprising error and I have to wonder how much of a hand Farish had in designing these models as it isn't like them. Perhaps some other portion of the Bachmann empire that hasn't heard of Englandland was subbed to do the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreamnos Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I received my Bristol VRT and RELH yesterday and was stunned at how small they seemed compared to my Japanese Tomytec buses which are 1:150. I've never been good at maths so I pulled out my PECO British N Scale rule. Wikipedia says the VRT was typically between 13'8" to 14'6" height. The scale rule says the Farish VRT is just a hair over 13' tall. As for the RELH, again, Wikipedia says the prototype is 36' long. The scale rule says the model is 33' long. So...both buses are WAY underscale for British N gauge and a far as I'm concerned, really quite unsuitable for use on a 1:148 layout. What a wasted effort (not to mention a waste of my money). This seems like a complete screw-up by Bachmann on this. Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 You can see from the posts above (#15 in particular) that these buses are approx. 1:160 scale rather than 1:148, Matt. Yes, a great shame since the range covered would have complimented rather than duplicated what is available elsewhere. As it is, they'll leave big gaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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