0121modeller Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I have 3 makes of drill pin vices , each version has a fault ; 1. Duplicate slot sizes of one collet, 2. The inserted drill girates whilst using one collet, its not my drills that are wonky as it the drill girates nearest the collet jaws. 3. Another pin vice was good but I was unable to fit one particular size of drill, so I had to use another pin vice with the slot machined accurately (but that pin vice being fault in another way as described above. The collets are'nt interchangable / compatable to the other makes of pin vice , so I cant make up one decent pin vice out of the 3 I have. Each version of pin vice I've bought has cost me around £5 each, surely there must be a pin vice available that is of top quality ? , I dont mind paying a little more just so long I have a decent one. Any recomendations of such an item / supplier ? Thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I use Eclipse ones, Squires sell them but I was lucky enough to 'borrow' some from work - expensive but worth it I reckon. You might find them on ebay as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
0121modeller Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 Thanks Paul, Yes squires have a wide range of tools, so it may be worth my while contacting them if the have one of superior quality. Cheers, Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 There is a page of them here http://www.ebay.co.u...n vice&_sacat=0 - DON'T buy the cheap ones that say "Like Eclipse" - get the genuine articles - mine must be about 30+years old - it will be cheaper in the long run! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I have had a teeny weeny Eclipse for many years - I was about ten at the time of purchase from Pond Tools, on the recommendation of HA Blunt's model shop. Still as good as ever for small and delicate. Nothing like well made tools... Not long ago bought a rather beefier version (no brand name) with two double ended collets from Eileen's Emporium at a show, and this has proved good for the heavier jobs. Replaced a well used US purchase which I succeeded in losing a few years back, I think the brand name was Xcelite? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Another vote for an eclipse tool. Like you, I have several others, none without their faults and none that will hold anything like as small a drill as they advertised. This is one of several sources on ebay. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I find the 121 to be the most usefull size - I use it for about 90% of my drilling. In fact I have 2, usefull as I can put a needle in on of them to use as a scriber. Cheap pin vices do nothing but annoy! Buy cheap buy twice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 This is one of several sources on ebay. Excellent prices - good find Nick. Just out of interest - has anyone tried the Games Workshop one? It looks to be a good tool but I've never inspected one closely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
0121modeller Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 Thanks for all replies, very helpfull. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacque Jacque Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 As an alternative to Eclipse, there is of course Starrett. Tamiya also make one, although I can't vouch for it's quality. My other Tamiya tools are of better quality than cheap stuff, but not as good as pro quality tools, falling somewhere in between. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob S Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Try the Eclipse pin chuck "ref 160" as per this tool supplier. http://www.millhillsupplies.co.uk/catalogue%20pages%20pdf/page24-29.pdf IMHO more accurate than the pin vices if you're using small drills, but of course rather more expensive. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Try the Eclipse pin chuck "ref 160" as per this tool supplier. http://www.millhills...f/page24-29.pdf... I agree that the 160 is very useful, I use one as well as a 121, 122, 123, 124 set. The 160 'handle' is long enough to use by hand, but is intended to fit a drill or lathe chuck so has multiple uses. Mind you, your source is a rather expensive, compare the prices with those in my post #6 above. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Try Games Workshop: reasonably cheap, high quality and served by generally pretty nice person. They've got a decent collection of other tools that I've used to great effect as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Graff Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I can't understand why some would prefer to use a 4 jaw pin vise...... The centering is so much better in a 3 jaw version. Sure they cost more, as the manufacturing process is more demanding, but in my opinion it's really worth it! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Try the Eclipse pin chuck "ref 160"... A nice tool as well, although shorter than a 'proper' pin vice. I have one to use with my bench drill. Last night I won a used Eclipse 122 on Ebay for £1.44! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointstaken Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I find my battery Dremel more useful and manouevrable than a pin vise. Dennis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
0121modeller Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 I find my battery Dremel more useful and manouevrable than a pin vise. Dennis I also have a battery Dremel, a quality tool but I find its RPM/speed too viscious for precision work, so I never use it for drilling holes that require modelling precision, (even on its lowest RPM setting which is still frighteningly fast !) . I would've thought a tool with its *"versatile"* ruputation (**IMO this applies to Proxxon as well as the Dremel) should be made with a controlable RPM from zero. (not literally "from zero" but you know what I mean, lol) . A battery powered drill for drill bits of around 1mm - 2.5mm,; my Bosch PSR 14.4v Li does most modelling needs if I'm not using pinvice, I'm comfortable with handling it, as its "pistol grip" and the speed is nicely trigger controlled from zero - ?max? RPM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Pulham Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Excellent prices - good find Nick. Just out of interest - has anyone tried the Games Workshop one? It looks to be a good tool but I've never inspected one closely. Hi Paul, I have one and it's excellent and I have one of the double ended pin vices with two collets which by coincidence both fit the GW Pin vice giving me 6 different size ranges - I find that this is the only tool I use for small drilling jobs (despite having a set of Eclipse) I just use the standard pin vices for holding things while filing etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I also have a battery Dremel, a quality tool but I find its RPM/speed too viscious for precision work, so I never use it for drilling holes that require modelling precision, (even on its lowest RPM setting which is still frighteningly fast !) . I agree, for fine jobs like mounting roof vents etc, you really need the fine control that only a hand tool can provide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eetype3 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Ello again, Frustrated Jim 'ere... Can anyone recommend a 0-1 mm pin vice/pin chuck that actually works at the bottom end of that range? My experiences so far: 1. Faithfull FAIPINVICE1 (from my local engineering supplies store): may as well be constituted of chocolate. Even after removing burrs from the chucks, won't even hold a 0.5 mm bit. 2. GROZ PV/1-4, allegedly 0-1 mm vice (Axminster Tools): Not bad, but 0.35 mm is its bottom limit. [Worth noting that the other 3 vices in the pack do exactly what it says on the wallet, and all 4 have served me well for 5 years, so PV/1-4 is still good value for money if you're not quite as obsessive as me!]. My 0.25 mm bits have now arrived, ready to help me model roof grabrails in 0.2 mm wire (AKA 5-amp fusewire). All fired-up after days persuading myself that 22 roof grabrails on my Limby 31 will be a breeze, and ultimately let-down by the technology! Meh. All good leads welcome - cheers folks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I use a one I bought from Games Workshop that hold bits that small, I've had it for several years and its probably the best I've ever owned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 See this topic. Most of us seemed to agree on the Eclipse 121 or 160, though a couple of other suggestions were made. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eetype3 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Two you DON'T want to buy: Faithfull FAIPINVICE1: Won't take smaller than a 0.5 mm bit, even after deburring the chuck. Chocolate fireguard territory. GROZ PV/1-4, 0-1 mm chuck: Not bad, but 0.35 mm is its bottom limit. Was, er, slightly put-out earlier when it couldn't handle my new 0.25 mm bits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debs. Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Emporio-Eileen have such 0-1mm. pin vices......I paid £3.50 for one recently; having asked specifically for one that goes 'to nothing'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I bought a Starret 0-1 mm pin vise from an ebay seller .Expensive but a proper quality tool and it shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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