Fat Controller Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I note from the Parkside web-site that they are to produce, soon, a GWR Z2 Gunpowder Van. From the one drawing and photograph in the 'combined volume' on GWR wagons, it would seem that this was the type that formed the basis for later vehicles from the LMS and BR; can anyone say if this was the case? If so, can I give up on trying to narrow and shorten Hornby-Dublo/Wrenn/Dapol bodies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Could be a good bet. The only way to find out is to buy one and see what it looks like. It would probably need underframe mods to lose the DC brake and the roof of the pictured van doesn't seem to have the extended eaves over the doors. At worst you would have GW wagon which has wandered off home ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 NOTE WE ARE TALKING 4MM KIT Brian No doesn't look good! http://www.parksidedundas.co.uk/acatalog/New_Products.html is for a Z2, a strange choice. They are only 16ft oh, whereas the later GWR one, which was also very similar to LMS, LNER & BR were 16ft. 6in. over headstocks. Yes, the later ones would be very useful, some of all of them lasted into the 1980s. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Thanks for the clarification Paul, I missed the length Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 I wonder how easy it would be to add that extra mm on each end? It's still got to be easier than the butchery involved in the HD option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I would have thought that the later Z4 would have been a better choice for them. The earlier version(s) have been available from Adrian Swain (ABS kits) for the last 30+ years, he even sells a conversion kit for the standard Iron Mink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Purely speculation on my part: I think there is a relationship between Parkside and Red Panda? so maybe Parkside have chosen to introduce the Z2 GPV as they know another could be in the offing. Was it really over 4 years ago when Red Panda was threatening to introduce kits for two different diagrams of more recent GPV’s? From: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12789&hilit=Red+Panda+Gunpowder on the old forum… Porcy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 NOTE WE ARE TALKING 4MM KIT Brian No doesn't look good! http://www.parksided...w_Products.html is for a Z2, a strange choice. They are only 16ft oh, whereas the later GWR one, which was also very similar to LMS, LNER & BR were 16ft. 6in. over headstocks. Yes, the later ones would be very useful, some of all of them lasted into the 1980s. Paul Bartlett Parkside are producing a range of models utilising the 16' GWR underframe they first used in the 011 kit. Hence, any talk about later wagons being a better choice is a bit pointless. I would like them to do a new tool iron mink myself... Regards, Craig W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Purely speculation on my part: I think there is a relationship between Parkside and Red Panda? so maybe Parkside have chosen to introduce the Z2 GPV as they know another could be in the offing. Was it really over 4 years ago when Red Panda was threatening to introduce kits for two different diagrams of more recent GPV’s? From: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12789&hilit=Red+Panda+Gunpowder on the old forum… Porcy I think the only relationship is that Parkside do Red Panda's moulding for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Maybe a rash of gunpowder vans pends to delight us all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Was it really over 4 years ago when Red Panda was threatening to introduce kits for two different diagrams of more recent GPV’s? I think that's been promised for at least 10 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I think the only relationship is that Parkside do Red Panda's moulding for them. Thats my understanding, my point being that if most of the tooling has been completed by Red P they might get a tad annoyed at their "contractor" introducing a rival product. Even if that product has yet to see the light of day. I think that's been promised for at least 10 years. Yes but four years ago there was a clear statement of intent on the old forum. Here I am four years down the line still chopping up Dublo/Wrenn/Dapol GPV's but... enjoying everyminute of it. Now once I get this finished; that is a sure way of making sure a kit of the same is introduced. Isn't that always the way. Porcy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90164 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Maybe a rash of gunpowder vans pends to delight us all Surely that should be an explosion of gunpowder vans.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Are they due for release on November 5th. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Well that would go with a BOOM!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I'm plotting to build a few more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted September 6, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2012 Are they due for release on November 5th. ? For Fawke's sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 So did we work out the treasoning behind Parksides release ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted October 2, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2012 On a related topic ... I just finished the Ratio/Shire Scenes conversion for a gunpowder van and I'm struggling to find a source for the "G.P.V." letters on a decal sheet. The HMRS GWR wagon sheet doesn't carry it and I couldn't see anything on the Fox or Modelmaster ranges, although perhaps something will turn up in view of this new kit. I tried hand lettering but wasn't too happy with the results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted October 14, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2012 Hi BT have you tried hacking the red GWR bits on the HMRS sheet about? G=G, R=P, W=V !!!!. Regards 81C You've got me there, as I didn't remember the letters were meant to red! I was working off the black and white photo in Atkins, Beard and Touret ... and the daft thing is, now you mention it, of course the letters should be red... That suggestion to hack the letters is an excellent one. However, my black paint job went badly wrong due to a duff tin of paint, so the wagon is now in the works for stripping and repainting, so I've a while before I'll get back to doing the letters. Perhaps by then there will be a commercial decal sheet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I'm sure that Fox do GWR gunpowder van lettering - or at least they did about 3 years ago when I built this: It's one of the vans converted by the GWR from Iron Minks and provided to the Southern, and is a modified Ratio kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted October 15, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2012 Cheers, Pete - I did check Fox but maybe I missed that. I'll have another look... Edit - yes, Fox do 'em, in a range of periods too. How did I miss that? Facepalm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Nevard Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 It was a nice kit to make up - I cannot go any further with it until I sort out an order from Cambridge Custom Transfers - I'm sure most would be happy a few extra pennies for transfers to be included with these kits like in the old Airfix days. The buffer heads are to me the only negative, it was very tricky to remove the flash and keep them circular, some turned metal heads would be the answer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted October 15, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 15, 2012 It was a nice kit to make up - I cannot go any further with it until I sort out an order from Cambridge Custom Transfers - I'm sure most would be happy a few extra pennies for transfers to be included with these kits like in the old Airfix days. The buffer heads are to me the only negative, it was very tricky to remove the flash and keep them circular, some turned metal heads would be the answer? Yes - my Sheet S1 has been updated to include the BR transfers for the GWR Z2 gunpowder van, including the red GPV lettering (but not the red crosses as these were not included on the prototype photo that I worked from). Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. http://www.cctrans.freeserve.co.uk/products.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Yes - my Sheet S1 has been updated to include the BR transfers for the GWR Z2 gunpowder van, including the red GPV lettering (but not the red crosses as these were not included on the prototype photo that I worked from). Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. http://www.cctrans.f...uk/products.htm A bit surprised - but then I often miss prototype photos - but am yet to find a GPV with no red cross. Some are prettty faded (good old red pigment) though all seen so far have remained faintly visible. Available in 7mm ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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