RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted August 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2015 Spotted the Quaker Oats box bottom left and thought of you. https://www.flickr.com/photos/36891793@N08/8725632145/sizes/h/ 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted August 22, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2015 Thanks Paul, what a fantastic photo! The enlargement shows lots and lots of interesting details. If I get around to doing another batch of crates I'll make sure to include the Quakers one. I like the cranes, they're very similar to the ones at Paddington that I used as a basis for the cranes in my goods depot. Interesting mix of ground surfaces too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdare Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I quite like that rickety livestock pen in the picture if that's what it is, I might make one of those later for Hemyock though not as big as that one appears to be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Great North Eastern picture (Forth Goods Shed - Newcastle upon Tyne) - thanks for posting. What a super photostream - spent 25 years working in south Northumberland - highly recommended. Ray Spotted the Quaker Oats box bottom left and thought of you. https://www.flickr.com/photos/36891793@N08/8725632145/sizes/h/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Mikkel Posted August 23, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2015 I quite like that rickety livestock pen in the picture if that's what it is, I might make one of those later for Hemyock though not as big as that one appears to be. Yes I noticed that one too. Photos from Edwardian goods sheds/depots seem to show a lot of these rather flimsy structures. Some were probably for livestock as you say (poultry I suppose?) but others seem to have been built to simply contain/support unwieldy/fragile loads. Looking forward to what you can do with it Jim, it's just the thing for your "texture-rich" approach I think! I had a quick go at a small one with some scrap balsa (photo below), but it's a bit coarse and it's the bigger ones that will really add character to a scene I think. 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted August 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 23, 2015 Fascinating photo. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Lovely photograph. I like the way the shafts of the horseless carts are all held up at almost the same angle, as if the navy were about to launch a barrage! It is easy to forget how much space they would take up if just dropped to the ground, but what is keeping them up? I was also intrigued by the pipework that runs beneath the gas lamps, from bottom right to top left. I initially thought it might be something to do with the lights, but then I spotted that there were canvas flaps hanging from it at very regular, close, intervals, so I guess they are some form of loading gauge, but were they to check whether the load being delivered would fit into the waiting van, or to ensure the laden cart could get out of the warehouse door, or was it both? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOxon Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 .......... I was also intrigued by the pipework that runs beneath the gas lamps, from bottom right to top left. I initially thought it might be something to do with the lights, but then I spotted that there were canvas flaps hanging from it at very regular, close, intervals, so I guess they are some form of loading gauge, but were they to check whether the load being delivered would fit into the waiting van, or to ensure the laden cart could get out of the warehouse door, or was it both? I was also interested in that pipework but hadn't realised that the vertical bits were canvas flaps. Perhaps their main purpose was just to define the width of the individual bays? I guess that markings on the ground, as we would tend to use, were less practicable, with so many animals fouling the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I was also interested in that pipework but hadn't realised that the vertical bits were canvas flaps. Perhaps their main purpose was just to define the width of the individual bays? I guess that markings on the ground, as we would tend to use, were less practicable, with so many animals fouling the ground. I am pretty sure these are delivery area boards, saying such things as Morpeth, Gateshead South etc. These would ensure that the correct 'smalls' goods would get on the right lurry or railway vehicle for onward delivery. I am not convinced they are canvas though, I would expect them to be thin wood or most likely tinplate and painted up locally. They have 'hooks' on the top to loop over the supporting pipe. These would be semi permanent, each cart of lurry usually loading at the same position, but movable for a re-layout or when traffic demands change (such as season goods). It is difficult to paint locations on the ground as it is brick or cobbles and hanging signs can be seen from some distance when you are searching for a cart trip. What really interests me is the two vans on the left. The nearest is probably a chilled vehicle with Ice box hatches on the roof. The next has a very strange arrangement of boxes on the roof connected by a pipe or handrail. Presumably both would be in NER ownership as they would be non common user. Anyone got any details of these wagons? Cheers Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted August 23, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 23, 2015 Another photo of Forth Banks here, looks like boards under discussion were numbers: https://www.flickr.com/photos/newcastlelibraries/4080142059/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 There are some perfectly recongisable railway wagons - 1910ish and they were still in use in the 1960s. Elsewhere the horse and cart had moved on. I love these historic pictures - especially when they are so close to 'home' (well we spent ten years in Morpeth)! Ray 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted August 24, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2015 There are some perfectly recongisable railway wagons - 1910ish and they were still in use in the 1960s. Elsewhere the horse and cart had moved on. I love these historic pictures - especially when they are so close to 'home' (well we spent ten years in Morpeth)! Ray I agree Ray, to me a large 1900s goods depot captures much of what I like about that period on the railways. And there's enough to last a modeller a lifetime! How about this as a modelling project for the wagon enthusiast, another view of Forth Goods: http://www.heritage-explorer.co.uk/web/he/searchdetail.aspx?id=9966&large=1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted August 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2015 It must have been fun trying to shunt wagons in there with so much going on. Did a whole string of wagons have to be loaded/unloaded before any could be moved? Don 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Thanks Mikkel - your latest image is surprising in that it makes me think that a lot of 'goods' was being carried in open wagons. Regards Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted August 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2015 It does look as though a group of wagons had to be loaded before any could be moved and they do not like they are being loaded in order. The conventional wisdom is that most things were moved in open wagons, either sheeted or unsheeted. When you look at the numbers of open wagons to goods vans the numbers of open wagons gets relatively more the further you go back in time. What intrests me is the amount of straw that is around. They obviously packed the goods with straw to between each box/barrel whatever as a cushion to take out the inevitable banging together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 There would be straw for horses - now was the packing reused for breakfast or bedding? Ray 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire2865 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 There would be straw for horses - now was the packing reused for breakfast or bedding? Ray Bedding most likely as straw is pretty useless to a horse as food. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Bedding most likely as straw is pretty useless to a horse as food. I agree with bedding. However I used to work somewhere that manufactured horse feeds and they were composed largely of straw (wheat/corn) and molasses. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 LNWR Tranship Shed at Crewe, c1908:- from The Railway Engineer April 1908 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted September 2, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2015 LNWR Tranship Shed at Crewe, c1908:- lnwr crewe tranship shed 1908c - rwyeng190804.jpg from The Railway Engineer April 1908 What a great photo. Some really interesting details, eg the access "ladder". I'm wondering what the wooden blocks/timbers alongside the rails are for? A transshipment shed would make an interesting subject for a micro/small layout, I think. In "GWR Goods Services" Part 2A there are a couple of photos of the one at Reading around 1900 (p. 6 and 68), with just two tracks and decks either side of one of them. Tonnes of atmosphere. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I love the folding 'bridges' between the platforms, as one is sitting at 45 degrees I wonder if it is the reason for the photograph? I also wonder if they were spring loaded/counterweighted or just pivoted at one end and relied on manpower to lift? There is a timber stop block over one rail and a simple wheel 'choc' leaning up against the bridge landing stage. Great! Tony 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 What a great photo. Some really interesting details, eg the access "ladder". I'm wondering what the wooden blocks/timbers alongside the rails are for?It looks to me as if the ladder is actually a lifting platform which, when fully lowered onto the support between the tracks, would connect up with those just visible on the right, to create a runway between the two loading platforms. The trouble is I can't see how it is raised, as all there seems to be is a rope or cable hanging underneath the platform. I can only assume that there is a cantilevered section below the decking which does all the work. I think there is another one, in the fully vertical position further along the platform, just to the left of the pillar in the foreground. Perhaps the block across the rail is a simple Scotch Block to stop a wagon hitting the walkway when it is down.I am amused by the Escher like optical illusion created by the wooden pillar. Because it doesn't actually reach up to the roof beam the eye gets confused, and, at least for me, it looks as if it is much further away than the runway and the end of the wagon, yet it is obviously tight against the runway which itself must clear the end of the wagon. Most odd! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 As Mikkel said.. Tons of atmosphere ! and another named box...."Clarke's Tobacco" I too am puzzled by the mode of operation of the inter-platform walk-way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I am amused by the Escher like optical illusion created by the wooden pillar. Because it doesn't actually reach up to the roof beam the eye gets confused, and, at least for me, it looks as if it is much further away than the runway and the end of the wagon, yet it is obviously tight against the runway which itself must clear the end of the wagon. Most odd! I believe the 'pillar' that you refer to is a second walkway, upright, alongside the one at an angle. If you look carefully you see they have the same details at the same spacing on each side. There appear to be two walkways reaching out onto the stand in the centre from the (out of view) platform across the tracks. I second the idea that the wooden items are to hold the stop block in place. Despite appearances I don't think they extend for more than this short section. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I believe the 'pillar' that you refer to is a second walkway, upright, alongside the one at an angle. If you look carefully you see they have the same details at the same spacing on each side. There appear to be two walkways reaching out onto the stand in the centre from the (out of view) platform across the tracks. I second the idea that the wooden items are to hold the stop block in place. Despite appearances I don't think they extend for more than this short section. Thanks, that makes sense and helps to understand the geometry. Presumably the mechanism is below the deck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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