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All saloon windows were tinted, whatever class - double glazed with 'spectrafloat' tinted coating on the outer pane. This includes the small corridor-side windows in the TRUB and TRSB. The windows behind the kitchen/buffet areas were opaque white (as were the small corridor-side windows on the TRUK) Door droplights, however were untinted.

I think the intention was to have the TRSB seating facing the 2nd class coaches, 1) as the seating was 'normal' 2nd class, not specifically for dining 2) so those in 1st didn't have to go through 2nd to get to the buffet. As an aside, I believe the change from unclassified to 1st class seating in the other types of coach was so that they weren't hogged by 2nd class passengers trying to get a comfier seat for the whole journey!

I'd have thought the windows would be the same tinted ones as on other Mk 3s

The twin dining sets were like that at first, kitchen car next to the first class but with the buffet car 'inside' the second class coaches. Not sure when they changed it to having the two dining coaches together, with the 2 seating sections adjoining. EDIT : flood mentions this earlier on as happening around 1980/81

Loved the 2 shots under the bridge towards the depot - the slightly 'wobbly' track on the left and the 'subsidence' under the HST are, to me, completely realistic. Any shots of real railways, especially through a telephoto lens, show that 'perfect' track is often anything but!

Love the Clayton and brake van - a nice wee cameo idea for anyone with a 'main line' layout, doesn't always have to be long trains!

Winter 1988 P5 book is the nearest I have, there are nine SK all allocated to general provincial sector at oxley and all blue/grey. There are ten FK left, but these are either NSE WR or general pools, allocated to laira, old oak or Eastleigh. 3 are in NSE, the rest blue/grey

found some of the cl.504s in BSYP (don't think we've had them yet) very faded blue! : http://www.martynhilbert.railpic.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=374 EDIT: click into 'slam door EMUs' album and there are more pics, inc the wrap round ends whole load of b/w pics here, inc. BSYP (with numbers on front end and yellow going 'around' the number) and also full wrap-around yellow ends: https://www.flickr.com/photos/graham_williams/sets/72157625920861309/with/5496954502/ i'm sure i've seen more colour ones, but can't remember where

cold as ice - foreigner

Great pics of some great modelling, very realistic!

Info on 'Dennis' here : http://www.lner.info/locos/Electric/ef1eb1.shtml

thought i'd have a rake through this thread to find the donny line-up, got as far as post #18, with an entry by your good self 'CHARD: "D5121 60A 11/6/60, 24121 5/74, HA 10/75, stored 22/10/76 and immediately reinstated to work that day's 1A53 17.12 Glasgow - Ayr, remained on stock until Wdn 31/12/76, stored PO 1/77 - 11/77, Carlisle (location not known) 11/77 - 2/78, to Doncaster 14/2/78 - Happy Valentine's Day 24121, cut 5/78." (my bold) EDIT from post #40: "24102 IS 5/74 (from GD), stored Carlisle 10/75, to IS 11/75, Wdn 2/2/76, back to Carlisle 3/76, to Doncaster 14/2/78, cut 19/3/78." EDIT: scratch everything, i think this is the post i was thinking of http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/34123-highland-baby-sulzers-Bachmann-announce-d5135/page-8&do=findComment&comment=529091 will edit this as i work through 13 pages!

a rather sad one from cabsaab900's flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/24041160@N02/16199670470/ i think we've possibly had a similar (the same?) lineup pictured at doncaster, but this is them on the way south

Thanks for that LNERGE, I always thought it was just the 03s that had trouble with the circuits.

Nice selection of subjects again Dave! What was the reason for the brake van, I take it it was regularly used with the 08 so they didn't bother to couple it to shunt the passenger stock? Note the Sprinter has a pale blue band above the first window, presumably to denote the lockable storage area?

Found a couple of references to the MAP train in the Feb '82 RO. Referred to as 'the Dept of Industry Exhibition Train' (p.59) and 'the MAP train' (p.70), it was at Holborn Viaduct platform 1 from 23-27 November 1981. Formed of S99647,99634,99635,99646,99636 and 99649 (although p.70 ref has 99637 as well). It was stabled at Stewart's Lane, taken out by an 09 in the morning and back at night by a 33, except on the last day when it went to Marylebone. The train obviously toured around for a while, it'd be nice to find out what was actually being exhibited! Sorry for straying off-topic

Excellent again Dave, what's the Research stock lurking in the background? Test Car 6 or something else interesting?

Like the breakdown train, particularly th mixed liveries - there's often a tendency for models of these kinds of trains to be very uniform, when really the different kinds of vehicles could be very mixed (especially older stock) Also looks like the guard/crew have been a bit enthusiastic with the stove!

Great stuff Jonathan, saves me trying to find my book! I'd only said RB as that's the type of coach it looked like (as opposed to RU or RK etc) The RB and RBR look similar, the main differences being internal

re: the exhibition train, found this on john turner's 53A moodels flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/14057364801/in/set-72157604142594351 judging by the coach window visible (but no vestibule), the coach to the left is an RB as shown in the pic in post #509 it must've been part of the exhibition fleet as the train has a non-standard jumper cable on the ends (power supply from a shore supply/generator?) can't find it at the mo', but 'rolling stock recognition 1: coaching stock' (marsden/ian allan) from 1982/3 has a section on exhibition coaches and i'm sure it lists the coaches at that time - iirc at least one RB is mentioned haven't yet managed to find out anymore about what the exhibition was for EDIT: found another pic which shows the 'corridor' side of the RB in a slightly different formation: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jjm2009/8179818565/

Re: 1E79, napier-chronicles doesn't have WTT for 67/68 but has one for summer '67 http://www.napier-chronicles.co.uk/wtt67summer.htm 1E79 is given as 12:00 Newcastle - Colchester (via coast) - KX portion goes onto 1A27 at York, 1A27 being the 13:00 Newcastle - KX. The headcodes changed in late 1969 to the more normal 'regional' style: http://www.napier-chronicles.co.uk/wtt69-70.htm

1A16 was the down 'Flying Scotsman'

One from Bert Cheese on the 80s Southern region photos thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/544-southern-region-photos-1980s/?p=1765690 Nice locos but a rather flat backscene and you'd think it was a made up livery on the 37

'scud mag' Jeez-o, haven't heard that in years!

Or a 120, but unable to check further at the mo'. In photo C8040 of 26027/021 at Haymarket, you can just make out a DMU with plated windows. This would be one of 55013-5, cl.122 bubblecars which became cl.131 after plating windows and fitting cage mesh inside remaining ones. Also an extra set of double doors on each side. Originally, they were blue but I think only one got blue/grey, 13 or 15. They were the ScR's home-made equivalent of the purpose-built cl.128 - often to be found tacked on to a convenient DMU set