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Final Call for your Modelling Era Votes A reminder that your ‘Polling Station’ closes at 1700 today. The Results will appear in the Toplights Mini-Poll on Wednesday 11 August. If you haven’t already voted, here’s a reminder of what to do: There are five outline time periods below; please select as many as apply to you and vote in the usual way (simply: 2, 3 etc). If, for example, you model 1920 to 1935, simply vote 2 as being the closest approximation. 1 1900-1922 2 1923-1938 3 1939-1945 4 1946-1955 5 1956 to early 1960s Brian

Hello derekc I can't see any votes there. Brian

Sorry, you're right. I had logged the votes but forgot the 'Thx'. Done now. Brian

Hello Gilbert St Ives branch for me please. In the 1950s, an uncle and aunt owned a hotel near Lelant, the gardens of which backed onto the line - separated only by a rough rear access road. I well remember playing in the games room above the hotel's garage as there was a clear view to the line and the water. Seeing the 45xxs go by was a dream come true for this lad from back-to-back terraced house Tottenham! The hotel has now gone and has been replaced by 'desirable residences'. Brian

Hello again Miss P I forgot to say that that is why we always (or usually) have a 'suggestions box'. Brian

Hello Miss P It is impossible for us to list every GWR Departmental vehicle (and 'incarnation'). We have set a 'maximum load' of 12 items to each Mini-Poll and this one was at the maximum. Hope that helps. Brian

Hello everyone I’m voting for: 6 Breakdown Crane (such as GWR No.205 at Didcot) 7 Staff & Tool Vans 10 Gas Reservoir Tank Wagon 4-wheel – Cordon (Diag.DD4) I’d guess that – like me – many of you will have gone to a show (back in the ‘good old days’!), seen an item for sale, dithered about buying it, then regretted not buying it when you got home! I well recall a visit to the Taunton Show many years ago. A tray on one sales table held maybe a dozen Staff & Tool Vans made to a very high standard – I believe they may well have been the CSP/Hayes versions. I dithered, didn’t buy and have regretted it all these years! Hence, I am voting for them as well as a Breakdown Crane. The Didcot one would be very nice to see in RTR. I have a Shapeways 3D-printed model of the Cordon which runs superbly well. Looks fine from ‘normal layout viewing distance’ but the striations are pronounced closer up, so I am voting for a RTR version. Brian

GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.8: Departmental Stock Hello everyone Welcome to the eighth in our series of GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Polls. I am running them here with my friends, John Lewis, Chris Knowles-Thomas and Ian Taylor on Rob’s behalf. You will find ‘an indication’ of what we are looking at via the suggested example diagrams in parentheses. We simply cannot list every incarnation! The makers are tending to ‘tool up’ to cover as many variants as are commercially viable. For us, the mantra is: If it looks like a Ballast Wagon, it probably is a Ballast Wagon, or a member of the same family. In order to generate some debate – and some ‘learning opportunities’ – please feel free to explain why you have chosen your selections. I copy all ‘Comments Received’ in order of receipt – but with names removed – and post them as a PDF with the Results. Please note that we do not welcome comments that act as an excuse to start up the old chestnut of ‘kits vs RTR’! Here’s what to do… 1. You may vote for any or all of the items listed plus suggestions at 13 (if you so wish). 2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’. 3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7 – with comments and explanations following. My posting which follows should serve as an example. 4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations. Ballast & Track Vehicles 1 Ballast Wagon – Starfish/Ling (P14 & BR Diags.1/566 & 1/567) 2 Ballast Wagon – Herring/Mackerel (P22 and BR Diags.1/582 & 1/584 and Diag.1/583) 3 Rail Wagon – Whiting/Minnow (T Diagrams & BR Diag.1/620 & 1/622) 4 Chaired Sleeper Wagon (Diags.T1, T12, T13) 5 Track Relaying Crane – to run with PWM 651-654 Breakdown 6 Breakdown Crane (such as GWR No.205 at Didcot) 7 Staff & Tool Vans Inspection 8 Dynamometer Car W7W 9 Track Testing Car – ‘The Whitewash Coach’ (W139W/DW139) Others 10 Gas Reservoir Tank Wagon 4-wheel – Cordon (Diag.DD4) 11 Loco Coal Wagon 4-wheel 10- & 20-ton 12 Hand Crane 4-wheel 3-ton (as preserved at Great Western Society) 13 Your suggestions of any Departmental Stock not listed. Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box. You have until 17.00 on Saturday 7 August. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Sunday 8 August. I look forward to your selections and comments! Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Rob’s thread only and neither RMweb nor The 00 Wishlist Poll Team are specifically involved, apart from me, John, Chris and Ian in our ‘personal capacities’.)

Hello everyone Many thanks for your support of the Mini-Polls and I'm happy to say we will run some more for you to follow tomorrow's No.8: Departmental Stock. Funny how things work out, but some of the posts immediately above are, by chance, totally apposite...as you will see in due course! The future Mini-Polls will include such as Autocoaches, Catering, Non-gangwayed Stock and - what will be a star attraction for many - the Toplights. This latter Mini-Poll will be entitled: GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.9: The Case for Toplights. (Scheduled for Wednesday 11 August.) It will follow the example that we had with the TPO stock where the Mini-Poll Team will present you with a case and ask you vote simply in favour or against. As noted, please refrain from debating Toplights until you see our case - thanks. Brian (on behalf of John, Chris & Ian)

Hello Bazza Could you say which others 'creep in'? It will help my results. (I haven't logged your entry yet.) Brian

Hello everyone Not wishing to 'dampen freedom of speech' but - as per our request to hold fire on comments on the TPO Poll until that was running - can we request that you wait until you see what we present to you soon? I'm sticking my neck out here a little, but I'm sure it will be worth the wait! I can then 'capture' all the relevant and important comments in the usual Comments Received manner. Brian (on behalf of John, Chris and Ian)

Thanks Paul and Clive The periods I noted will (probably!) make sense in due course. Brian

Hello everyone To assist with some future Rolling Stock Mini-Polls here - if there is support for them to run - it would be helpful to have an idea of your modelling time periods. There are five outline time periods below; please select as many as apply to you and vote in the usual way (simply: 2, 3 etc). If, for example, you model 1920 to 1935, simply vote 2 as being the closest approximation. 1 1900-1922 2 1923-1938 3 1939-1945 4 1946-1955 5 1956 to early 1960s You have until 1700 on Saturday 8 August. You can vote by PM direct to me if you wish. Brian (with Rob's kind approval)

Hello Mike I thought long and hard about the Toplight inclusion, but it would probably draw negative comments if they were excluded from any GWR coaching stock evaluation. Below is how the stock fared in the polls. 2013: 29th 2014: 14th 2015: 17th 2016: 12th 2017: Poll didn't run 2018: 9th 2019: 13th Don't worry Mike...as Kenny Everett used to say: It will all be done in the best possible taste! Brian

Thanks Miss P and others commenting. We wouldn't want to run on a 'general thread' as it would - as noted by Ian - lose the 'quality' aspect of localised comment and debate. Rob and I wanted to just check that we weren't 'losing steam' with the polls. If we drop much below 20 voters in each, it becomes less differentiated. Brian

Results – GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.7: Vehicle Carriers & ‘Heavy Duty’ Hello everyone A slightly lower than usual turnout but many thanks to the 18 voters who took part. The number of votes to each item is shown in the left hand column and Comments Received are appended on a PDF as usual. Please note that the results reflect the views of those who voted here and may not necessarily reflect those of the wider modelling community. High Polling 13 Well Wagon – Loriot (various, Loriot L preserved. eg Diags.G1, G13) 12 Well Wagon – Hydra D (vac fitted. Diag.G22) 10 Covered Carriage Truck – Python (end doors, vac fitted. Diags.P13, 14, 19, 20) 10 Motor Car Van – Mogo (end doors, vac fitted, Diags.V23, G31 & G43 Plywood) Middle Polling 9 Well Wagon – Crocodile (various 1892 onwards) 8 Steam Road Roller & Water Cart Wagon (shallow well. Diags.F1-4) 8 Motor Car Van – Damo A (end doors, vac fitted, short, 20ft. Diag.G24) 7 Motor Car Van – Damo B (end doors, vac fitted, medium 30ft. Diag.G25) Low Polling 6 Motor Car Van – Asmo (end doors, vac fitted, long 33ft. Diag.G26) 6 Girder Wagon Set – Pollen (Diags.A6, A9, A10 of 1909) 6 Open Carriage Truck – Serpent C (open body, some used for containers. eg Diag.G21) 5 Open Carriage Truck – Scorpion (open body, vac fitted. eg Diag.P15) Your suggestions of any ‘vehicle carrier’ or ‘heavy duty’ wagon not listed. 3 Rectank 1 Crocodile L 24-wheel Trolley Wagon Set 1 Crocodile C10 4-wheel 1 Goliath Open Scenery Truck – see Russell GW Coaches 1, pp214-5. 1 Loriot suitable for 1920s and early 1930s. We will be back on Wednesday 4 August with the final planned Mini-Poll: Departmental Stock. Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Rob’s thread only and neither RMweb nor The 00 Wishlist Poll Team are specifically involved, apart from me, John, Chris and Ian in our ‘personal capacities’.) GWR Mini-Poll No.7 Vehicle Carriers and Heavy Duty Comments Received.pdf

Final Call for Votes - GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.7: Vehicle Carriers & ‘Heavy Duty’ Hello everyone A reminder that your 'Polling Station' closes at 1700 today with Results expected tomorrow. If you haven't already voted, here’s what to do… 1. You may vote for any or all of the items listed plus suggestions at 13 (if you so wish). 2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’. 3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7 – with comments and explanations following. 4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations. Carriage Trucks 1 Covered Carriage Truck – Python (end doors, vac fitted. Diags.P13, 14, 19, 20) 2 Open Carriage Truck – Scorpion (open body, vac fitted. eg Diag.P15) 3 Open Carriage Truck – Serpent C (open body, some used for containers. eg Diag.G21) Motor Car Vans 4 Motor Car Van – Asmo (end doors, vac fitted, long 33ft. Diag.G26) 5 Motor Car Van – Damo A (end doors, vac fitted, short, 20ft. Diag.G24) 6 Motor Car Van – Damo B (end doors, vac fitted, medium 30ft. Diag.G25) 7 Motor Car Van – Mogo (end doors, vac fitted, Diags.V23, G31 & G43 Plywood) Heavy Duty 8 Girder Wagon Set – Pollen (Diags.A6, A9, A10 of 1909) 9 Steam Road Roller & Water Cart Wagon (shallow well. Diags.F1-4) 10 Well Wagon – Crocodile (various 1892 onwards) 11 Well Wagon – Hydra D (vac fitted. Diag.G22) 12 Well Wagon – Loriot (various, Loriot L preserved. eg Diags.G1, G13) 13. Your suggestions of any ‘vehicle carrier’ or ‘heavy duty’ wagon not listed. Please note that suggestions for the Coral A Glass Wagon, Aero Wagon and Gane A were logged in the previous Mini-Poll. Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box. Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Rob’s thread only and neither RMweb nor The 00 Wishlist Poll Team are specifically involved, apart from me, John, Chris and Ian in our ‘personal capacities’.)

Thanks Mike I won't actually be buying the Mink so my query was more in response to John's comment of makers using 'generic' underframes and whether Rails have 'done it properly'. Brian

Hello everyone In respect of the underframe discussions above, can anyone say if the new Dapol/Rails Iron Mink has the 'correct' dimensions? Brian

Many thanks John I had never heard of that but it makes sense. The Mogo certainly looks 'wrong' and I could never figure out why. I shall have to go and measure all my vans now! Brian

Many thanks! The difficulty with 'infrastructure' - as we found out when we had such a category in the 'main' Wishlist Polls - was that much is 'location bespoke' and often difficult to pin down. Overhead Line Equipment (OHLE), for example, sounds easy but that could run a whole poll of its own! I'm not sure if I mentioned it here recently or on another thread, but if you drive north up the M1 approaching Watford Gap Services, the WCML runs parallel and you can count six different types in that short stretch alone. Indeed, there were 'standard items' emanating from the old railways - such as what many know as the Airfix Signal Box or the ubiquitous Exmouth Junction Works concrete footbridge. But it is still a vast field that is pretty much impossible to cover comprehensively. Brian

Hello DRoe96 According to Pat Hammond's Ramsay Catalogue, the Mogo had a new chassis in 2001 but still used the 1991 Mainline body. I'm no expert, but the underframe looks fine to me, whereas the body is in need of improvement (and variations). Brian

Hello Neal We could have supplied a 'mini-Guide' along the lines of what we did with the 'main' Wishlist Poll, but felt that - for this audience - it was more productive for you to 'get your thinking caps on'. That seems to be working to good advantage. Brian

Overall Results, Top-to-Bottom, PN 00 Loco Mini-Polls Nos.1-3 Hello everyone As promised, here are the Overall Results, Top-to-Bottom. We hope you have enjoyed the Loco Mini-Polls but – importantly – that we have all learned from the experience. High Polling 12 J6 (64170-64279) 12 J39 (64700-64988) 11 J67/J68/J69 (68491-68666) 11 K2 (61720-61794) 10 B2 (in range 61603-61671, but many are B17) 9 A5/1 (69800-69829) 9 D16/3 Claud Hamilton – Decorative valance (in range 62501-62620) 9 B16/1 (in range 61410-61478, but some are B16/2 or B16/3) Middle Polling 8 B16/3 (in range 61420-61468, but some are B16/2 and most B16/1) 8 C12 (67350-67399) 8 J17 (65500-65589) 8 J52 (68757-68889) 8 N1 (69430-69485) 8 N4/N5 (69225-69247, 69250-69370) 7 A1/1 (60113) 7 B16/2 (in range 61435-61457, but some are B16/3 and most B16/1) 6 O4/8 (in range 63573-63915 with gaps) 6 J20 (64675-64699) 6 D2 5 N2 (69490-69596) Low Polling 4 D3 4 J19 (64640-64674) 4 K3 (61800-61992) 3 C2 Atlantic 2 A1 (60114-60162) 2 P1 Nos.2393 & 2394 1 P2 Streamlined Style Nos.2003-2006 & Rebuilt Nos.2001/2 0 B12 (in range 61501-61563, but some are B12/4 and most are B12/3) 0 B12/4 (in range 61500-61532 but some are B12 and most are B12/3) Brian & Chris

Results – PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.3: Passenger – Tender Hello everyone Many thanks to the 17 voters who took part. The number of votes to each item is shown in the left hand column and Comments Received are appended on a PDF as usual. Please note that the results reflect the views of those who voted here and may not necessarily reflect those of the wider modelling community. High Polling 11 K2 (61720-61794) 10 B2 (in range 61603-61671, but many are B17) 9 D16/3 Claud Hamilton – Decorative valance (in range 62501-62620) Middle Polling 7 A1/1 (60113) 6 D2 4 D3 4 K3 (61800-61992) Low Polling 3 C2 Atlantic 2 A1 (60114-60162) 1 P2 Streamlined Style Nos.2003-2006 & Rebuilt Nos.2001/2 0 B12 (in range 61501-61563, but some are B12/4 and most are B12/3) 0 B12/4 (in range 61500-61532 but some are B12 and most are B12/3) Your suggestions of locos not listed. (They must have a ‘PN Connection’) 2 60503/60504. 1 M&GN Class A 1 D52 1 D53 1 D54 1 GC D9 1 Ex-GC 4-6-0 1 Ex-NE Atlantic 1 A2 1 A2/1s The Overall Top-to-Bottom Results of the three loco Mini-Polls will follow very shortly. Brian & Chris (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from Chris and me in a ‘personal capacity’.) Mini-Poll PN Loco No.3 Passenger Tender Comments Received.pdf