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Hi Iain,I think this photo answers the question...

Thanks Richard, these two photos, one an enlarged crop of the other clearly shows one of the windows, one of a number of windows which are located either side of a number of double doors along this wall, interesting

Hi Richard, It was another world, and for some - it didn't end fast enough. My father never complained about it, during his time at 8A, it just got done. During your visits did you ever get to see the outside wall along the running lines, I have worked out that it still had doors and windows, but were they still operational, or bricked up, anything would be of great help best regards Stanley

Hi Iain, both the coaling plant and ash plant were in reality straightforward and simple in operation, however to realistically model either one is a serious undertaking which over the years has always been a stumbling block. To get either the 'skip' or the wagon to move up and down without looking toylike is a real challenge and to date one which remains a unresolved for me. Solid thoughts realised to date require: that arrangement be operated through the baseboard (in that the whole thing lifts in and out) that the skip, wagon hoist counter weights and wagon lifting cradle be heavily weighted to produce the realistic look that the winding mechanism be located beneath the baseboard, but attached to the arrangement. that the actual movement is achieved through a single driven continuous threaded rod attached to high grade cords which are attached to the skip and cradle (retractable ID card holder type nylon cord) the cords do not wind onto the rod or a drum, the rod moves up and down to create the movement. Or maybe there were days when both the ash plant and coaling plant were broken !!

"Ratio, London Road Models, 51L/Wizard, Stephenson Carriages, there is no shortage. Trouble is, they all require more effort than just opening a box" Hi Jol, You are absolutely right on a good number of points throughout this thread, I currently have four LNWR kits (Brassmasters and DJH) to build, and I was actually looking at the LRM Coal Tanks, but now Bachmann are filling that build (for me) I can get the four LRM Oerlikon Sets instead. I guess what I'm trying to say is - RTR or not, we alway need either locos, wagons or carriages to compliment the item we build or purchase, I am glad we have a range of choices, volumes of data and opinion to support that choice. When I get the DC sets, and if a RTR company puts a set out a week later, it won't matter one drop, the decision was made, the enjoyment is the same, the kit is an experience that lasts a lot longer than just opening the box, but on the other hand if its the other way round, then it's carriages - it never stops, as the link you posted proves, thanks.

Hi Iain, had to laugh at your list of things that must get done, far too short, but so much less than my list !! sad about Comet Models, puts a different light on carriage side discussions, especially for Mary and Tim at this time.

the colour photo versions show it up better, just imagine the drama whenever either of these units failed !! somewhere around I've got a copy of a photo of the ash plant, either after or during a failure, it's a hot summers day, a clean up team has been assigned to clear the mess, it's hard tidy work shovelling from the pits into a wagon, a couple are drinking water from what looks like milk bottles, they all look terrible, and not that long ago. the ash plant shot is one of my favourites, just says so much.

I thought it won't be long before we see another instalment, quicker than expected though I must say !! yard track work looks great, had a look through a number of photos to try and understand if there are differences around specific locations - there are, not withstanding the ejector drains which generally drain directly above the rail, it relates to water columns, where ever they are it's usually 'ground in' and smoothed up to the rail edge, wet and glossy near the rails, becoming dryer and more crumbled the further away you are. There is a water column just prior to the coaling plant, plus the water spray, after leaving the turntable, while (not counting the southern one) there are no water columns at the ash plant, see photos attached to demonstrate the point.

This was posted on youtube in march this year - it captures LNWR "Oerlikon" Class for Euston - Watford services, 630v dc 3rd & 4th rail 3-car suburban emu, DMBTO, LMS No.28249 (B.R. No.M28249M) in LMS livery at the National Railway Museum, York.

Hi Everard Junction - Peter, Just read through the thread, and agree with the guys and theirs thanks for the youtube series, as it must be a strain sometimes to get a video together, but it is really appreciated. I don't think two days go by without me checking for an update of some sort. Obviously everybody has their hobby horse favourites, but for me it's the variety and its detail when discussed, hoping you remain enthusiastic for your series, as it is definitely an inspiration to many including myself. Your adherence to the period, and banter about the livery are great stories, we all enjoy watching, and now reading.

A bit more on buffer stops, PH DESIGNS do a very nice buffer stop that could do the trick, PH7BUFPRAIL, I think that's right, on the photo of the fret it did state 4 mm. Although they appear out of stock at C&L's, but at thirteen pound plus each, and needing five, what's the rush, especially when you are going wreck two of them. best regards Stanley

Pretty tidy turntable well here, yours must have had a bad day, possibly rain or twenty odd years later ..... best regards Stanley

Hi Iain, in relationship to earlier discussion, avoiding line siding stops, I've had a hunt round a number of photos, and it appears that both sidings must have been damaged and hammered down from buffers stops, to rail stops as you guys have been discussing. In about 1936 when the LMSR was carrying out road realignment a number of new LNWR/LMSR buffer stops were installed, the 4mm equivalent of MIKES MODELS MM88, as seen in the shot of 70048, it has those huge whitewashed brackets (looking really bad in this photo) these were installed in both city and country end yards. The line stops were very different however, if you look at 6255 shot from Richard, they are quite small and tidy. Now in the 6240 shot the middle bracket has become the stop, with front diagonal hammered down beside the rail. Interesting prototypical date stamp ......... best regards Stanley.

Yes it's a telling photograph, but to date you and Vincent are leading the field, and a rebuild would just be wasteful and unwarranted in the current plan. Somewhere else a well respected blogger started ripping up great work, it seemed odd in that the original concept was not realised. I posted this photograph really for the colour detail, which you have captured, not the DC line dive under, as gradients on prototypical length trains are another matter completely. I seen the John Kendall article, it's great, and now that shawplan glazing is available - what a finish it will make to any suburban set !!

Hi Ian, found this trawling through Flickr, I hope Richard (Rick2E) doesn't mind. There is an incredible amount of detail to be found, but I think you got the bridge steel colour right anyway, how about the leading two carriages behind that tin (Sulzer type 2) can thing, non-corridor something or other ? Anyway, take some holidays, and think about some youtube footage over the double diamond, now that would be 'incredible'

Camden June 1962, what a scene !!

Hi Iain, best wishes for the new year, the standard of the track work will 'kill' the RTR suppliers if you keep it up, the double crossing into the country end is fantastic, I'm wondering what I should do about all the tillig elite track I've bought - fiddle yard ? over Christmas I received a copy of Rod Steele, Euston and Camden Train Spotting, I think he must have wrote it with you in mind, well worth the fourteen or so pounds, 1962 and all that photography. Really enjoying both threads, thanks.

very impressive !! these two are a slightly later type fitted with a head valve, the one you have was the slightly earlier LMS type all found at Camden in your period

Hi Iain, really impressive progress, your consideration around the station is great. 3D printing is a perfect answer.

Hi Iain, yep it's a hard one, its a bit of each, or a scratch job, I've never found one suitable, and Camden requires eight examples !! I checked out the continent and the states, however I did find a sort of close one over here - http://www.arkits.com/catalogue_mw/14 but each needs some type of rework, pity when you look at some of the stuff from tichy trains etc .....

wow !! fantastic effort, should have kept my mouth shut !! the reference book (LMS Engine Sheds) is a gem, took all the worry out of the coaling and ash plants for me, and now we know the scale materials of construction - bloody legend. Impressive track construction also !

Not wanting to mess with your head, but Scott has a point, maybe all brass. I recall reading through an article in MRJ where a signal box was built in brass, then overlaid with plasticard. Very rigid result, no warping.

Yes thanks Richard, that buildings actual detail is always difficult. The unusual view down to HENLYS is great, even if the short siding crossing arrangement has changed. Iain this Camden thing is really starting to pick up, hopefully it will still be alive and kicking when I start laying track. As this is the motive power section however .... the guys at Brassmaster are just about ready (waiting for thr Romford wheel sets) to send me a George the Fifth kit and a Prince of Wales kit, very exciting (should make Jol happy !!) I'm just about fully allocated at about forty-eight engines, with six Oerlikon sets (LRM I hope) and a couple of coal tanks to go. Hence my appreciation to you and your topic.

Wow, it's all going off here !! Iain, Richards photos are amazing, and Richard you have actually been there (in steam) very special, I only know Camden through the few (devoted) people like you. Iain, you are so right, every bit of detail matters, I wonder if Richard could 'shed' any light on the rail side wall of the actual shed !! Regardless, what wonderful childhood memories, and a photographic record.