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Hi Iain, hope the golf goes well for you, and thanks for the links. Parts (bits and pieces) are really tricky if you can't see them in real life, so this was one of those ' capture it now moments' thanks, much appreciated. Glad to hear that the insulation did the trick, good investments are sometimes overlooked. Found 6248 on shed moving off the coaling plant,

Hi Iain, Very impressive, and the prototypical coupling on your 6248, any chance of a link to the supplier. Hope you had a great time away, we've all been waiting patiently (no pressure) for you return. How is the shed insulation standing up in the warmer weather? not quite 6248, but magic shot anyway - thanks to the photographer. best regards

I think the scale of the venture, plus the level of detail and minimal compromise is the difference you are making.

will be a pity to paint these two !! fantastic workmanship based on such little information, click on photo to fully open.

I was wondering were the metalsmith one was, the peco is very close, just the deck and wheel arrangements, anyway I'll post it anyway. PS have you seen 'model signal box portfolio' by gravy train on this site, some really nice workmanship over there!!

Signal boxes looking good, interesting how the size of the LNWR box compares to the ARP box. Yes both boxes are sketchy, but I think you are very close at the moment, and Roy and Vincent must of installed some major levels of motivation into you !! so full steam ahead ? PS found a really good plan for the turntable.

Would believe it - LNWR Portrayed by Jack Nelson - was on eBay on the 6th of April !! found a copy of Richard D Foster - LNWR Signalling, fantastic, you were right Jol, a wealth of information, went back over my previous posts and updated them (August 2014) for the benefit of others.

Hi Iain, Progress on the roofing looks great !! Remember the detail associated with the LNWR signal box and the awning at the cabin window, maybe this is the requirement. While not the same cabin, the man and the flag is the need.

Hi Iain, definitely not, all the work involved in relaying the track, it's not worth it. You have captured the spirit of the location perfectly, and that's enough. Glad the photographs are of use, if anything they generate further discussion and information. Regarding the goods depot wall detail, once painted and weathered, with the signal box to break up the length, it will probably just need the usual trackside equipment, and the two or three smaller structures to complete the scene. The key to the view will be at what angle you finally place the footbridge. Even though the signal box is in the BR period, it's a real change in style and age, very exciting. Seen an article in MRJ a few years back now, which described the construction in brass, overlayed with plasticard. Quite an amazing result, considering the method. best regards

LNWR Elevated Cabin (type 5) CAMDEN No.2 At the original up fast 'flyover' it appears a standard LNWR type

LMS Signal Box (ARP type) CAMDEN No.1 Sorry about the BR class 4 4-6-0 75038 on a euston northampton 6:06 (22/07/1962) being in the way, but I think it was worth it, as we piece together the signal box, and check out that footbridge detail and signal gantry !!

Hi Iain, regarding the wall mounted crane/davit arrangements, the photograph I posted back at 172, shows the brackets/mounts (upper and lower) for the crane/davit arrangement, you can just make them out, and the buttress looks standard depth, so your model is good (great actually).

LNWR Signal Box (type 5) CAMDEN No.5 Near the Primrose Hill Station and the bridge was a LNWR type 5 signal cabin (box), which is in your layout period, note that the locking room has had some windows bricked up, and that the locking room is narrower than the cabin. Camden No.5 was the last surviving LNWR cabin in this immediate area, with Camden No.1 and No.2 being retired once the newer Euston (downside) Power Box came on line. Camden No.3 and No.4 where located either near the Goods Engine Shed (roundhouse), in the goods yard or near the Engine Crew Hostel (reference attached drawings) Kentish Town, Camden Town, Camden Town Junction (all the same box) was a North London Railway box. with Copyright Bluebell Railway for one of the photos

An edited (cut and paste) plan of the shed in 1950, as shown in BRILL 1995, and LMS Engine Sheds (volume one) 1981. Camden 1B Motive Power Depot (engine shed) track layout

Hi Iain, there where actually four (4) signal boxes in this area, however I am still learning the types and details also, maybe Peter J Coster or Vincent Worthington could add some clarity if we rave on long enough, but it must be said that the feedback and collective knowledge from within RMweb is amazing as I am realising just following your thread, later sorted and edited thanks to Richard D Foster, LNWR SIgnalling. So the signal box story is sort of like this, from the Camden bank end a LMS ARP type - Camden No.1, located adjacent to the fast up line about half way (40chains) along the Camden Goods Station (depot) building, there was a siding line running between it and the depot - reference LMS Engine Sheds volume one (a must have book for this layout). This replaced the earlier LNWR type 4 overhead cabin that was probably removed prior to WWII and your layout period. Near the Primrose Hill Station was another LNWR type 5 (size G) - Camden Yard, which is in your layout period, appears to be of a standard arrangement, except the locking room appears narrower than the cabin. The Metcalfe PO233 kit delivers a good mock up for a scratch built layout item, although there are a couple of specific details (like the cabin window awning) which would need additional research. The last one was on the other side of the bridge at the original up fast 'flyover' again it appears a standard LNWR type 4 - Camden No.2, of which I have some photographs. As you may have noticed i'm unsure of the signal box names and numbers, maybe somebody can tag them for us. Regarding the depot building wall, yes over the years there has been all sorts of things along it, the 'diagonal pipes' appeared originally to be wall mounted crane/davit arrangements, however more information (photos) they appear to be vents or later flue stacks, of which there where possibly two (2) However the wider buttress and the wall mounted cranes may not be related. Was the wider buttress incorporating a flue stack, I'm not sure, but will check it out. You are right, there where vents/ducts some running at an angle. The small windows, again unsure, but will check it out. The signage has changed a number of times, it depends on the date. I will post photograph cropped detail sections where possible, in an attempt not to upset the owners, also and acknowledging that you have the main lines 'down' have you got a copy of the 1950 track plan, for the shed layout, I'll post it if you are considering getting carried away.

Hi Iain, an unusual angle of the signal box, plus another shot of the goods depot - interesting that the goods station wall isn't as uniform as we think, just to the left of the intercity tin can best regards

The LMS ARP Cabin is difficult to find, and as it was constructed after 1936 (just pre WWII) which is my Camden layout period, I never worried about it too much, guess you wouldn't want this one ? Great isn't it, this is Camden Goods Yard about 1935 LNWR Overhead Cabin (type 4) CAMDEN No.1, 1905, replaced by an LMS 'ARP' (your) cabin best regards

hi Iain, looking good !! photos as promised, the print quality is a little poor, but they show up the coping, and colour well. best regards

Hi Iain, the Primrose Hill Station building is looking fantastic, you are really getting the true feel of it with your colour choice, I've be trying to find a shot that really shows off the 'bricked up' access way from the booking hall to the main Euston line platform footbridge which was removed long before the thirties. But it's just not showing up, even the the shots I took when I was there a couple of years back didn't pick it up, guess it must be under a couple of mill of soot. I usually check your posts pretty regularly, so let me know if there is any detail shots you need, you wouldn't believe how many I've got, except for the rail side shot of the passenger engine shed of course, which are the hardest to find. Best regards, Stanley

Hi Iain, regarding the Regents Park Bridge, maybe these will help with the detail. best regards

Hi Robin, Really great progress on the layout since your MRJ article. Regarding the coaling plant operation, people will be drawn to its operation and as you would expect they will want it to work properly. The Camden plant is similar but does not 'face' the viewing side of my layout. Regardless I am separating the hoist system from the main structure and powering it from below the baseboard for smooth realistic operation. PS your Carnforth photos answer a lot of questions, and thanks for the MRJ tip regarding York Model Making, huge help, just got to get the plans for the shed now !! best regards, Stanley