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59 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

doesn't the W1 / W5 have a different wheelbase from all of the other Coopercraft / Cambrian kits?

W1/5 underframe is shared with the Provender wagon.

2 hours ago, kevinlms said:

A dated photo is the only way of finding out what it looked like - even then the date can be wrong!

And even then in your typical 'in use' picture you'll be able to see a maximum of 2 or 3  of the following:

Roof vents

Vacuum pipes

Vacuum cylinder

2 or 4 shoe brakes

Tie bars

Number

It's good fun, innit?

Do you want good pictures of clear prototypes, or 'mood' pictures?

Having a look through screenshots I've collated. This first one is good for those 'what colour grey' questions...  Video link

One I remember - Copyright holder on Flickr says "do not share elsewhere" so here's a link  c.08/1963 - Dairycoates East, Hull, East Yorkshire.

A (gulf) red Herring?

You've made me look.

Herring - 2015. Ownership changed hands in 2017

11 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

It appears that Cambrian have bought the tooling for the original Cooper Craft range of kits from Mr Dunn

As much as I'd like to hope Cambrian have the opportunity to retool the underframes for the old CC kits, have Cambrian released anything new since they changed hands a few years ago? 

12 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

Eileen's Emporium folding

With it the Bill Bedford etches?  Time will tell I suppose...

3 minutes ago, John Tomlinson said:

they made the error of assuming that the bolster pins, the vertical stanchions on the bolsters, were fitted in all the available holes

Must have been the same person who who designed the Lima horse box with the multitude of ventilators....

1 hour ago, drduncan said:

I’ve found diy superstore paint stripper has been good at reducing glued kits to component parts - but was the glue expoy or contact adhesive? No idea I’m afraid.

 

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The main active ingredient in many paint strippers is acetone (which is why many 'aren't as good as they were' as the real nasties have taken out)

If there's no plastics involved, a bath in acetone will do the job.

It's the old Humbrol Authentic paint reference - HR112 Interior Paint Stone [BR Interior Paint Stone]

https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/authentics.htm

On 20/11/2022 at 10:25, Hal Nail said:

Related question and I appreciate irrlevant very quickly, but were the insides painted when new or after a refurb?

 

(16t, not wooden ones)

On 20/11/2022 at 10:33, Wickham Green too said:

Never seen an answer to that in print - but looking at 'The 4mm Coal wagon', there are a handful of high-angle photos that seem to show a uniform interior colour darker that the grey outside

On 20/11/2022 at 15:53, Cwmtwrch said:

 

Some years ago, I tried to answer this question, with a complete lack of success. Lots of suggestions, but no conclusive evidence. The suggestions included both yes and no, production from Corten steel, and others.

Digging around in my screenshots for threads elsewhere, I'd fogotton I'd clipped this from Coal Trucks (1958) by British Pathe on Youtube.

Body colour in this case?

Edit - Near the end of Lot 2915, built by Met Cam 1957, so brand new.

I think that would probably be the easiest solution, a warm browner tone of grey for the body and the ironwork picked out in a darker, ruster shade for those supposed to be unpainted.

Edit - Or as an alternative, one with the ironwork only freshly repainted in freight grey.

It's on my list - E172629.  Coupled next to a newly repainted BR 1/044 Hybar for those who like contrast!

Looks very much like weathered grey rather than dirty bare wood in other shots, like this one.

4 minutes ago, Aire Head said:

I have still to come up with a satisfactory method of depicting this on models.

I'm glad I'm not alone!

While not a D1666, your model reminds me of a screengrab I took as reference - from "Cromford and High Peak Railway 1 -The Route Explored" on Youtube.  New wood, old wood, replacements in grey perhaps...

Yes, it's very much a generalisation, but the idea is for a model set in 1957, you shouldn't have anything retrofitted with Oleos, for example.

Observe your prototype is always the best guide!

14 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

the goods wagon stock changed radically over the 1950s.

When you get to the retrofitting of vacuum brakes on stock by BR as part of the modernisation plan you can even pin things down to approximate individual years by the types of buffer replaced*.  The change appears to be roughly annually from late 1955 to late 1959, with Spindle with collar, longer spindle, self-contained and the hydraulic/pneumatics.

From a modelling perspective (and to stay on-topic, assuming retrofitting of a 10ft wb wagon), it means that for late 1955, you'll have no refitted wagons, late 1956 any refits would have spindles with collars, late 1957 1ft8" replacements, 1958 might have a few with self-contained buffers and then by 1959, Dowty/Oleos.

For me, it can really help 'sell' a year modelled in the late 1950s, with just the one relatively small detail.

*(details in Wagons of the Middle British Railways Era by David Larkin pg14 & 54)

1 hour ago, Edwardian said:

I am not at all sure this is even a Mark IV. If it's a Mark V

Edit- misread 9766 is Mark V says an article written by the Tank Museum's David Fletcher suggests a MkV,  available through a cached link as it doesn't seem to be live anymore.

"The Petty Officer is a reminder that all tank handling in Britain was done by No.20 Squadron, Royal Naval Air Service."

I'll continue on the LNWR 0-8-0 theme I entered on: 17 also appears to be superheated/Belpaire firebox G1/G2/G2A rather than a G.

Representative placeholder?

53 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

But according to HM Inspector of Mines' report of 1896, the colliery only employed seven underground and two surface workers but a possible explanation for this is that there might have been a strike on at the time of the survey.

Some of the mines around Woodville* may have been on the smaller side as the majority of the working in the area (like Swadlincote) was predominately for clay and some may have just been mining coal for earthenware companies, or just very small seams between the clay for domestic use.  Later maps show the area from the Mindat.org link as a clay mine.

Jack (Hunslet 684) currently at Statfold, was a Woodville loco, at the Mount Pleasant works, to the south-west.

*It was named Wooden Box for the Toll collector booth on the Burton -Ashby Turnpike and only renamed Woodville in 1868.

Yes, Shipley is south of Heanor while Woodville is west of Swadlincote and about 45 minutes from Heanor...

17 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

Note the luxury of steps on the end.

And the lining visible under the elbows of the guests!

Photo is presumably pre 1897 when Bass bought what was to become their Directors' Saloon from the Manchester Ship Canal to allow for more comfortable travel around the system.

(Bass Holdings Ltd Collection, held by the National Brewery Centre)

3 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

One in Railway Modeller.

 

December 1983 I think.

Detailing an LMS "Mogul"  L.J Adams  pg 502.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380969167838

22 minutes ago, 33C said:

"Model Trains" magazine, by Airfix, ran a detailing article in the first issues

April 1981

https://www.magazineexchange.co.uk/cw/model-trains-magazine-april-1981-issue.html