Brassey

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

There's no reason why the railway company couldn't be selling advertising space on its own boundary. I doubt it's a borough council hoarding.

it baffles me how the railways would have organised charging for this advertising space.  What we see are national brands advertising on hoardings so to mount a national campaign would mean dealing with lots of different railway companies.  maybe there was something like the RCH managing this. 
 

i contacted the History of Advertising Trust a while back specifically about enamel signs but they have little if any information on this early period in the history of advertising. 

2 hours ago, Simond said:

...I was wondering if the GW received the revenue for the posters stuck to its poster boards, and the GC received that from theirs.  Otherwise I could see little benefit in naming the boards themselves, other than to reinforce the company image, of course.

 

modern hoardings in the uk are typically labelled, eg “Primesite”, “Clearchannel” and I remember “More O’Ferrall” too.  
 

atb

Simon

I don't think the concept of sold printed poster advertising existed in the Edwardian times as we knew it. (nowadays it's all becoming digital).  The branded poster boards were likely to advertise the railway company's own services and excursions, timetables etc..  On my line the GWR branded theirs and the L&NWR (later LMS) theirs.  This could be so that Bill Stickers didn't stick them on the wrong boards as well as bringing the services to the attention of the travelling public. 

The railways were of course amongst the first to exploit the poster medium to publicize their destinations and there are many famous examples.  But paid for advertising posters probably didn't start until the 1920's

9 hours ago, Mikkel said:

My old detailed Triang Dean Single...

 

Detailed and interesting choice of livery.  Is this after or before your red frame pre-1906 livery period?

Apologies for highjacking your blog with my own quandary over chocolate colour windows; I am beginning to think afterall that the two colour scheme shown earlier owed more to the LNWR than I was originally lead to believe and was a red herring.  

Nevertheless, I find the prospect of the overall chocolate scheme less attractive.  So it depends on how much prototype fidelity you are prepared to pursue.

37 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

... there is in principle scope for quite a varied selection of trains! I've had a first look at the 1911 Working Timetable for the Newbury-Westbury section, sourced from Michael Clemens' useful website, and it's all a bit  overwhelming, especially for someone who is used to very small layouts.

1911 is a good starting point.  So you have the Weymouth and Weston-s-Mare through trains.  You could even have a Farthing slip in both directions. 

And which locos may be under consideration?  Maybe an Atbara or two.  Dean Single?

3 hours ago, Mikkel said:

Thanks. I can't help thinking that somewhere down the line perhaps there is scope to turn this into an actual model of (parts of) Newbury station.

 

E.g., I have always thought it would be nice to model the Lambourn bay with the actual LVR stock. Steam & Things did 4mm and 7mm etches for the coaches. I thought the kits had disappeared off the market, but their page seems to have been updated September 2021. Hmm...

 

Agenoria - now Ragstone models - did a kit for the Eadweade loco, although in 7mm (ref AM36/7 I believe).

 

But I digress!

 

So what stock are you thinking of running? Your 150cm fiddle yards will limit you to about 5 corridor coaches with tender loco but that’s still quite impressive. 

17 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

Thanks for that. So if the GWR were responsible for station colours at Ford Bridge, that first photo of yours - with the station master and family - is in theory an unusually clear illustration of GWR painting practice on windows at the time. I would have expected plain chocolate, but it looks like a two-colour scheme to me.

 

IIRC, signal boxes had separate colour schemes on the GWR. Will check.

 

(edited to clarify)

 

I've put on my layout thread a pic of Berrington &Eye station building https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/71033-berrington-and-eye-gwrlnwr-joint-line-1912-layout/page/5/which also shows a two colour scheme; the main frames in a lighter colour, possibly white, and the window bars dark.  You can see from the upstairs open window at Ford bridge that the glazing bars were also painted dark on the inside.

On 13/02/2022 at 07:52, Mikkel said:

 

An excellent photo. Is it Berrington & Eye? Interesting if non-GWR companies underwent the same change. Perhaps the shift from dark to white had to do with paint technologies. Or simply what was fashionable.

Mikkel, this is Ford Bridge, two stations down from B&E.  Although a joint line, the 2 companies took it in turn over the responsibilities.  For the period in question, I believe that the GWR had responsibility for the station buildings whereas the LNWR had control of the track and signaling.  I have therefore assumed that the paint scheme and work undertaken on the line was GWR.  Certainly this far South the GWR probably had the greater influence.

Having said all that, on one of the signal box colours websites it states that the closest modelling paint colour to LNWR "buff" is GWR light stone so it's probably hard to distinguish subtle differences between the two!    The responsibility for signaling switched in around 1907.  So the wood on the brick box at B&E could have been painted in LNWR buff or GWR light stone but who could tell!.   The photo is of Ford Bridge signal box from the same series and the windows on the box are painted white.  Fascinating but mind-boggling stuff. 

Peter

15 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

I look forward to discovering when window frames changed from the dark colour to white!

 

I have the same challenge with my station building.  The early photos I have of it and other local stations in the early Edwardian period have them in chocolate.  The pic above also seems to have the fence in chocolate or maybe black too.

5 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

PS: Is that an LNWR brake van in the background? Looks interesting.

Yes Mikkel this is a joint GWR/LNWR layout and thankfully the GW 4-6-0’s were banned by the LNWR. Shortly they’ll be an 0-6-0 Webb Coal Engine to join the brake van. Might finish that first whilst I wait for the spring parts for these 060’s and the Metros…

On 16/08/2021 at 01:00, GWR8700 said:

Very nice, are these scratch built?

Thanks for asking but no they are based on kits with some scratch building.  

The Beyer Goods was bought as a wreck of parts from a K's kit on eBay.  It has been supplemented by many parts from an old K's Dean Goods and a few Mallard Dean Goods parts too.   The chassis is scratch built with compensation on all 6 wheels.  Being almost entirely whitemetal, it weighs a lot.

The 388 Armstrong Standard Goods is an old Jidenco kit with scratch built boiler, firebox and cab front.

The tenders for both are based on ex-K's Broad Gauge Rover tenders that I have converted to standard gauge by narrowing down.  Chassis for these also scratch builds.

13 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

Lovely work, Brassey. One is never enough for you, is it 

Quite right Mikkel. You’ll have to wait a bit for the tale of two Cities not to mention the 2,Dukes…

1 hour ago, drduncan said:

Looking good! It’s a shame the Ron Neap kit isn’t available anymore (or is it the same as the one Roxey do/did?)

Duncan

I think it is the same

1 minute ago, Coal Tank said:

Looking good 

Thanks.  I've 2 Coal Tanks to finish, a Special DX and a Coal Engine that I recently bought a DCC sound chip for, a tender for a small Jumbo is done.  So I really must get on with some LNWR locos too.

The Standard Goods is stalled whilst awaiting the restart of High Level to supply a gearbox.  The standard 1.5mm bore RoadRunner should be an OK fit with a 1220 motor but I don't have one at the mo.

In the meantime the Beyer Goods has progressed.  I finally bit the bullett and the wheels were removed and the axles trimmed down by about 1/2 mm. I also repositioned the compensation beams to raise the running plate height and give more movement to the hornblox.   It now clears the platforms and loading dock, just!  Smokebox door fitted.  The tenders are well on their way too:

Test run:

11 hours ago, BartonStDavidSDJR said:

Thanks for the tips, anyone got any clue how I can recreate the gold lining?

Received wisdom is to use a ruling pen angled almost flat against the panel.  Easier to do than explain.  I, and a number of others, use gloss yellow Humbrol 69 mixed with Humbrol 7 cream (recently I think I used Humbrol 9 Tan in the mix)

5 hours ago, MikeOxon said:

should point out that the raised mouldings separating the panels were actually painted black. 

And they had a gold line surrounding them

2 hours ago, Mikkel said:

So pleasing to the eye!

 

I didn't know Shirescenes had done a K15/K16. It doesn't seem to be on the Dart website. An old kit perhaps?

Mikkel I’ve only ever seen one and it’s this one I bought off eBay.  I’ve had it a few years and do seem to recall seeing it on a list somewhere. I’ve not seen it since so it could be withdrawn.  I think it’s the only complete kit ShireScenes did.  

It is listed on the GWR.org.uk website!  http://www.gwr.org.uk/kits4coacha.html

I've used Mainly Trains underframes combined with the Brassmasters cleminson unit to produce  6 wheelers from Ratio bodies.  The Mainly Trains uframe was designed for the Ratio kits and includes Buffer beams, cast springs and axleboxes (only 4), solebars.  I've found the footboards to be too wide for my needs as they can foul the platform but that's easily solved with some tin snips in my case.

The Mainly Trains range, designed by Iain Rice is now with Wizard/51L.  No connection etc.

I took the option of making longer axles at 34mm but, low and behold despite looking hopeful, once the rods and crankpins were on, they fouled the platforms and neither is there clearance for the dock in the goods yard.

So that must have been a reason why the AGW were shorter.  I have one other completed outside frame loco (Barnum) and I based the axle length for that on the Ultrascale axles (32mm).  This clears the platforms so is the standard to aim for.  The next option that remains is to move the outside frames and revert to shorter axles.

All this has thrown up another issue though.   The Barnum is 4 coupled whereas the the longer rod length of a 6 coupled may prove more of a problem with the clearance.  I have some other GWR outside frame locos to build,  so I will try to see if the problem persists and is a bigger clearance issue.  These will be built pretty much out of the box with components almost exclusively from the Alan Gibson stable.  Hopefully his wheels should work on his locos!  But with P4 who knows.

Until then, these 0-6-0's are on hold.

2 hours ago, Mikkel said:

Some nicely polished fittings in that photo, smokebox door included.

Yes but not always the case.  This earlier one with S2 boiler; still lined though

57 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

Revealing my ignorance: Why the solder on the tank sides?

 

 

Thanks Mikkel, I wondered if anyone would notice.  The early Metros had far fewer rivets than on the Wills kit so I filed them off (you can see it on one of the early photos) and soldered in some wire as rivets.  18 each side but whose counting.  It needs a lot of cleaning up which I hope to do towards the end.  Of course it might not work in which case I'll probably file it flat.  I do think they are noticeable and a quite feature of this loco:

3 hours ago, hayfield said:

I think many follow standard posts rather than blogs, simply as they are easier to follow

 

I assume there are far more who use RTR rather than kits, so the audience is larger, just start a standard thread and let kit builders share the experience and comment on the progress. You never know you might tempt the odd person to dip their toe in kit building

Standard thread is here: Locos workbench: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/124584-gwr-lnwr-pre-grouping-4mm-locos-workbench/

21 hours ago, hayfield said:

Still I will look on keenly at your build

Not too sure it's worth putting much up but I've added the next stage to the blog.  If I'd put a coat of Johnsons Klear on a Hornby RTR loco they'd be 100's of comments!  There does not seem to be much interest in actually modelling something.

(NB: Not bought any RTR since my brother and I had a layout in our bedroom and that's a long time ago)

6 hours ago, drduncan said:

Although I must confess to a weakness for the small and large metro ever since seeing one pictured in the late Victorian early Edwardian period at Newquay with a train consulting of a 6w clerestory luggage composite at each end of a bogie brake tri-comp.  

 

Happily, pI got a Metro in a job lot of built non runners.  I’ve stripped it down but it will need a new chassis if I keep it: it has a cast white metal one at the moment.  
 

D

 

 

My kit came with a cast whitemetal chassis but I never used it. I scratchbuilt at least 2 for it. I think that South Eastern Finecast probably do an etched chassis for it. 
 

I was going to say I was open to offers for the EM Ultrascale wheels but they went into the paint shop this morning. Currently waiting for the primer to dry.