jjnewitt

Sort of like this:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/17155-greyscroft-mine-cleveland-ironstone-in-1955-em-gauge/page-19&do=findComment&comment=2010286

Access was a bit limited and my lack of flexibility prevented me from doing any crawling about but I'll post some up later. Got to go out and supervise the lawn mower at the moment.

P

Yes exactly like that.   Interesting stuff.

Oh, and some pics as discussed. They may keep Mike happy too. Note the weld lines on the body side, Mike.

Justin might just introduce a kit exactly as you get yours finished.

 

 

Justin, there's also some phots of the brakes linkages of a Butterley built APCM Presflo if they're any use?

Yes please! Close up pictures of Presflos are always useful. Did you get any pictures of the brakegear on the Cemflo?

Hello Justin,

It was nice to meet you at EM North, I was the guy who was interested in your hydraulics and who bought a mineral wagon chassis kit!

I look forward to building it.

Cheers,

John E.

Hi John. Thank you for popping by the stand, it was good to meet you. Hope all goes well with the 16T mineral. Any problems drop me an email.

Justin

Hi James,

Yes every that an RCH version will appear soon. I usually try and do different versions of the same basic chassis at the same time but I just ran out of time with the 21T hopper chassis. I will look at sorting out an earlier version for the next round of releases. A few things might need tweaking and I notice that some had Morton brake levers rather than the lifting link variety but that's nothing major.

Justin

Product Announcement time!

There are a number of new items in 4mm scale now available from Rumney Models.

Firstly there is a chassis kit for the BR lifting link brake 21T coal hoppers (kit B.28 - £13). These are for welded body hoppers to diagram 1/146. The full open nature of the underframe is captured and parts are included to model either the unfitted or vacuum braked versions. P4/EM only.

Other items include a chassis kit for pre-Nationalisation 20/21T coal wagons (kit B23 - £11). This is designed with the Parkside LNER loco coal wagon and the Dapol GWR N32 Felix Pole mineral in mind.

There is also an open wagon tarpaulin bar detailing etch (kit B.92 - £3). This is specifically for the LMS/BR wooden opens and shock absorbing opens with steel corrugated ends. Sufficient parts are included for two wagons and both early and late type brackets are covered. Etched pins are used to help provide strength where the brackets locate on the wagon ends.

Sprung Warship bogies are now available (kit D.06 - £24). These are designed around the Bachmann Swindon class 42 model and are P4 only.

Finally in 7mm scale there is the distinctive United Dairies GWR/SR milk tank platforms (kit OA.07 - £12) and associated construction jig (kit OA.08 - £10). Designed to the same spec as the 4mm kit this etch will build into a pair of platforms and includes options for both left and right handed versions. The construction jig is designed to make life a whole lot easier when assembling them.

Further details can either be found on the Rumney Models website or in person at either ExpoEM North or Scaleforum this month.

Justin

Edit: Conflicting terminology corrected.

The Coil R is looking really good Adam! Thanks for posting it on this thread. 

Yes polybear I will be at Scaleforum this year and I will also be at Expo EM North the weekend before. It's going to be a busy September! There will be details of new product posted here in at some point next week.

Justin

But, what still concerns me, is that the thin blue connection from the first hangar from the centre connects to the pivot/fulcrum of the first red lever. I know that when a lever is used, absolutely 0 force is exerted in any direction on the fulcrum pivot point, no matter what. Why did BR go about connecting these links to the fulcrum of the levers?

 

EDIT: I've attached your drawing, with my perceived directions of movement in green. The orange circles denote where the thin blue connectors are attached to the fulcrum.

 

Hi Ron,

The key lies in the fact that the hangers are pivoted on the underframe and are not fixed. This means that the arrows that you've drawn and circled actually go the other way.

This arrangement is exactly the same as the hangers on the LMS and Derby clasp brake chassis seen previously. 

Justin

Good evening, Justin

 

Thanks for those drawings. I understand the first two, but it seems BR overcomplicated things with the 3rd diagram. I can't seem to wrap my mind around how they work. I've always had trouble seeing how brake riggings work, so could you please explain the motion?

 

Ron

Hi Ron,

The drawing that I posted isn't the clearest. I was in a rush and that was the one to hand. This should be bigger and so easier to see where everything was pivoted. The hangers are in magenta. Some of these are also pivoted on the underframe. 

It was indeed more complicated than the LMS & Derby ones (and indeed the LNER AVB) but it did have some advantages. There was only one adjuster (all the others had two, one on each set of clasp brakes), the arrangement of the clasp brakes was the symetrical so they were the same at each end (unlike the Derby one) and they were also arranged so that you didn't have to take the brakegear apart to get the wheels out. There is certainly more 'stuff' under the wagon as a result plus the lifting link brake levers on top.

The first hanger out from the centre of the wagon threw the direction of motion out to each end (a bit like the crank on the brakelever shaft on the LMS type) and was where the adjustment was provided, the next one out I think altered the amount of movement at that end so that the push/pull exerted at each end was the same then each set around the clasp brakes then contrived to change the direction of the push/pull and keep everything above the axles. If it helps the 2nd, 4th and 5th hangers (looking at the drawing from left to right) are pivoted on the underframe.

I hop this makes some sense, it's been a long day!

Justin

That being cleared up, does anyone have diagrams for the 5-strut Lowfit (diag 1/002)? Also, it'd be helpful if someone could point to a concise and clear picture of the 8-shoe brakegear, especially in the area behind the wheels, where the lever (?) pulls in the outermost brakes.

The following pictures are from the instructions to my BR clasp brake chassis kit that Adam pointed you in the direction of. They should hopefully give you an idea of what was going on. 

I also did this drawing to illustrate the differences between various clasp braking systems which shows the layout of the BR clasp brake.

Justin

Scuse the drift off topic.

 

Justin, are we talking Diag. 1/146? I'll have to go back and check my photographs but I think some of the lots may have had different spacing for the transverse sections.

You've just brought my 21 ton plasticard modifications to a standstill....

 

Porcy

 

(Hope things livened up in the Redoubt after we left? I think the bar maid (amongst others) were glad to see the back of my team!)

Hi Porcy,

Yes diagram 1/146. The wagons that I measured up for the project were B418128 at Quainton and B421612 at Lydney both to that diagram. Interesting that you think some of the spacings for the transverse sections may have been different. It wouldn't suprise me at all if there were some slight deviations from the drawings but it would be interesting if the actual drawings themselves were altered or indeed differed between works. 

Things were quite relaxed in the Redoubt, I think we only had one more drink after you'd left. Hope you've recovered from you trip around late night Wakefield. :-)

Justin

That's interesting - the high lever-type? Dave Bradwell already does this of course - I've built two and very nice they are.

 

No the other one with push rods, conventional levers and an option for vacuum braking. Dave's etches are excellent and not very far removed from the set up on mine so I don't see any need to dupicate them.

The Herring looks great. Well done with all those transfers! 

Justin

Interesting news Justin, thanks for the update, a healthy corrective to loco-centricism in hifi etched brass. Proper plate wagons: lovely. The Bogie Bolster E frames should open up a couple more conversion possibilities though it's a bit late for my Coil Rs!

 

Excellent.

 

Adam

The Bogie Bolster E underframe was a bit of an impromptu thing. It was originally just going to be a test for me ahead of doing the Bogie Bolster Cs at some point. It was only when it came up in conversation with someone that I decided to release it. You'd already started you Coil Rs by then though. 

Justin

Still waiting for developments on the "Western" bogies.....!

I'm still waiting for developments on the Hybrid ProtoDelitc...

Over the next couple of weeks Rumney Models will be appearing at both Scalefour North and the RMweb member's day in Taunton. There will be there with some new items to tempt you with:

Firstly Plate wagons chassis...

There are three new kits; B.08 covering BR clasp brake new builds (diagram 1/434), B.09 covering BR clasp braked retrofits (ex unfitted diagrams 1/430 & 1/431) and B.27 covering all the unfitted ones. The later kit also includes parts to models the doube bolsters and the Plates converted from them. They are suitable for the Parkside body. All are £15.

Kit C.21B and chassis kit B.27 under a Parkside body

... and Plate wagon kits.

Three with welded sides and one fully riveted. C.21A covers the new build BR diagram 1/434 vacuum braked plates (all welded bodies), C.21B covers BR diagram 1/430 & 1/431 types retrofitted with the BR clasp brake (welded sides and riveted ends) and C.21C covers the LMS/LNER and BR unfitted types (welded sides). Kit C.22 covers the delightful fully riveted LMS and LNER vehicles. Provision is included for 3 or 4 hinge doors and riveted/welded ends where appropriate. All are £27 and include chassis and body. 
 

Also freeing themselves from the clutches of my workbench are a chassis kit for the BR diagram 1/119 vacuum braked minerals (for the first 1000 MDVs fitted with the standard BR clasp brake - kit B.06 - £12), the rest of the Bogie Bolster E underframe (basically etched solebars and headstocks to complement the detailing etch - kit C.04A - £5.50) and a little etch for forming the spring brackets and covers on shock absorbing wagons (uses 8BA bolt thread - not included- for the springs - kit B.91 - £2.50).

Phew!

I will have stocks of everything except the Plate wagon bodies at Scalefour North. They didn't quite make the deadline for ordering etches. I will be taking orders for them though for delivery in around 3 weeks time. What I have at Taunton will depend on what get's sold at Wakefield!

For further details see the website. I look forward to seeing some of you at Wakefield and others at Taunton.

Justin

I think the only 4mm stuff that he still does are the transfers and maybe a few castings. Most of the transfers are for air braked stock but aside from the Coil wagon sheet there is one for bogie bolsters that looks like it could be useful.

Justin

Thanks Justin, particularly for the tip on the AME transfers. Now, how do I get hold of John Talbot? 

 

The Shochood looks much more refined that my plastic version, even at this early stage. Getting the hood right is the challenge, however. Is there any chance of a view of the ends to see how those have come out? These are an etched laminate aren't they?

Adam

John Talbot & Appleby Model Engineering can be found at the following address:

10 St. Dunstans Close

Battenhall

Worcester

WR5 2AJ

The code for the steel coil transfers is 4T55 which could be a suitable headcode for a fully fitted steel coil train from Margam. I can't find my catalogue at the moment so can't give you a price for them. There's loads of stuff on there.

The ends of the Shochood B are laminates and have come out ok. They need a bit of tweaking. Ideally a casting would be best but then you've got the issue of integrating it with the rest of the body. We'll see how it comes out once I've played with it further.

Justin

Hi Adam,

That looks good. I like the way you've joined the vaccum pipes up the the brackets. Don't worry my lot 3117 Shocvan's rigid as well.    It might be quiite fun to have a go at doing a working one sometime but that can wait for a very rainy day! Brackets and covers for the shock absorbing wagons with the springs on the solebars are on the way. 

The pipe wagon chassis is coming along. My test build of the clasp braked variant just needs the brake levers and guards doing now. There are some revisions that will need to be made (mainly to the solebar detail which is currently a real pain) and these will be checked on a kit for the Morton/lifting link type which should go on my next sheet of test etches.

The Shochood B is coming along and looking pretty good. As with the pipe there are a number of tweaks to be made before I'm happy and so I'm going to do a second test to check everything. Again that should go on the next test etch sheet.

I've found a scource of transfers for the Strip Coil wagon. John Talbot of Appleby Model Engineering does a sheet for lots of the vaccum braked steel coil wagon and they include the 'Return to Abbey Works', etc branding. I should try and get mine painted and finished.

Justin

I take it you're in no danger of getting anywhere near the current VAT threshold! 

No danger of that at the moment. I'd also need to start selling a few more kits before I invest in a card reader, etc. Of course if anyone would like to put some more orders my way... 

Hi all,

Firstly Rumney Models is on the move again. The new address is as follows:

7 Hurlingham Road, Bristol, BS7 9BA

I have three new wagon chassis that are now available to order:

There are two kits for the distinctive LMS clasp brake chassis as found under various vans, opens, Medfits, etc with either BR (kit B.51) or RCH (kit B.52) axleguards. Both kits include alternative parts to enable the chassis to be built for Shockopens and Conflats with their non-standard brake lever arrangement.

There is also a kit for the Derby clasp brake chassis (kit B.53). This was something of a curiosity and was to be found under only a handful of wagon types. This kit released covers the standard 17’6” x 10’ chassis as used under lot 3082 and 3232 Shocopens and, more importantly, the production Vanwides. Alternative parts are included to enable all three types to be modelled correctly. For the first time you can now correctly model a Vanwide!

The system’s origins in the LMS clasp brake are clear but there were a host of differences. Most obvious are the brake shoes, the asymmetric nature of the clasp brake hangers and the arrangement of the links around the main brake cross shaft. Quite why this system appeared when all other vacuum braked wagons of the period were being built with the BR clasp brake is anyone’s guess! The following diagram illustrates the differences:

All three kits cost £12 each. Further details can be found at Rumney Models.

Finally Rumney Models will be at Scaleforum at the end of the month. I will have my test build models available to view, including some items in the pipeline; answers to any questions you may have and goodies to purchase! Cash only please.

Justin

No news on the Western yet. I haven't had chance to look further at it yet. The Brassmasters ones would work but it's a lot of money just for the brakes and some method of fixing them to the bogies would be needed the facility for which would ideally would be included on the bogie etch. I've thought about etching up new brakes but that's as far as it's got so far.

Justin

Hi all,

Firstly Rumney Models has moved. The new address is as follows:

3 Admiral Close, Stoke Park, Bristol, BS16 1WN

Lots of new products have been released recently to tempt you with! These include lots of wagon chassis for things such as:

Riveted and independent braked 16T minerals.

12’ wheelbase 21T & 24 1/2T unfitted mineral wagons (to suit the Parkside kits).

9’ and 10’ wheelbase unfitted iron ore tippler chassis.

There is a kit for the 42T bogie Strip Coils in their original pre-1955 wood lined days and also a detailing/upgrade etch for the Lima bogie bolster E body.

Further details can be found via Rumney Models.

Finally Rumney Models will be attending its very first exhibition on the 12/13^th April when I will be at Scalefour North in Wakefield. I will have my test build models available to view, including some items in the pipeline; answers to any questions you may have and goodies to purchase! Cash only I’m afraid for this one. Please drop by the stand and say hello if you’re going to be there.

Justin

If the date on this photo

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34800790@N04/6555137895

 

 

is correct, it certainly had a small yellow panel in Sep 1967.

 

But then again, if the date on this photo is correct,

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24041160@N02/4871839863

 

 

it had a full yellow end a month earlier.

 

Or,  maybe the photographer of the second picture has the loco number wrong?

If it any help the date is correct, I was there when it was taken by Dad.

 

David

Thanks gents. For some reason I'd got it into my head that the full yellow ends came later. May have something to do with c37lg.co.uk which states 1969 for D6796 getting full yellow ends. That makes Mike's pictures a couple of years older than I suggested.

Justin

D6796 should have had a warning panel from new so I guess it's just filthy.

Justin

Are you sure that D6796 has no yellow panel, or is it so filthy that you just cannot see it because the nose end is in shadow?

Not entirely but I can't make out a change in tone at all on the front.

Justin

We have a winner!

Do I get a prize? 

Those pictures of D6796 in post #42 are interesting. Going by the green full yellow end 37s behind it the photo must have been taken around 69 which is fairly late for a loco not to have warning panels of any kind. 

Justin

And another where is this.

 

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Mike.

Leominster! I used to catch a 158 to go to college in Ludlow 5 days a week. That footbridge isn't there any more. It was once an important junction station but those days are long gone.

Justin