Keith Turbutt

I was there and on the train.My first ever rail tour Dec '63. Fourteen years old travelling with school friends and accompanied by one of their mothers!! The occasion was a Home Counties Railway Society visit to Swindon works. 72006 was brought down from Scotland specially for the event. Probably the furthest South a clan has been. It was a very murky, foggy day, not good for photography, and the engine's performance on the journey was mediocre. Swindon were nolonger building steam engines but the amazing A Shop was still in use building new diesels, Westerns?, and repairing steam locos. A few ex works locos were outside awaiting return to their depots I subsequently saw 72006 again at Cowlairs works in August 1964. A new build clan to be called Hengist, one of the proposed names I believe for further members of the class the order for which was cancelled, has been under construction for some while but is only making slow progress. A memorable day and the first of as many railtours as pocket money would allow both with the HCRS and LCGB.

Hi Richard Thanks for inviting the club round to see Dettingen this afternoon. Here are the photos I took. Amazing scratch building work. Congratulations.

HI again, Just did a test piece and seems resin is ok. LNER cab for O1 or O4/8 and small smoke box door. Photo is a bit out of focus.

Richard, I have some 2 part resin, mine is in plastic bottles. It's a bit old but should be ok I'll bring it with me when we meet tomorrow afternoon.

Hi Tony, Glad to hear it represents an actual prototype. I wonder if it was changed later on to the more familiar shape. I have a few 'Locomotives Illustrated' , I'll check if I have that one. Thanks for your reply

Hi Tony, Is that the chimney that was supplied with the kit as, to my eye, and photos I have, it seems to be rather skinny and too tall. See also Barry Ten's example posted earlier.

Just looking at the allocations, not all these locos were allocated to Scottish sheds in BR days, although Kingmoor was a Scottish shed (68A) before becoming 12A under the LMR in 1958. Other than 90763, whose final shed was Kingmoor from July 1960 when 12A, all the others were allocated to Scottish sheds when withdrawn. My Ian Allan ABC Locoshed Book, Summer 1960, shows 90763 allocated to 6F, Bidston on the Wirral. It would be interesting to know what work it did there. Further checking in the Irwell Press, 'The Book of' series, covering the WD 2-8-0s and 2-10-0s, 90763 is shown allocated as follows:- March 21/7/45 (as 73787), WD 10/46, Kingmoor 20/5/50 (as 90763 from 4/50), Doncaster 17/5/52*, Grangemouth 6/9/52, Kingmoor 1/11/52, Bidston 5/9/59, Kingmoor 16/7/60, Withdrawn 12/62 *The Doncaster allocation also covers the period when it was sent for trials on the SR. The allocation to Bidston makes sense of the above photo at Walton on the Hill shed, 27E. The Irwell book gives the allocations of all 25 engines. It does not show works visits although a number of photos have an Eastleigh caption and it would appear that at least some of these were used, maybe on running in turns, while down South. No engines were allocated to March after being placed into store by the WD in 1946. 73774 ( 90750 from 3/51) while allocated to Hornsey took part in the freight locomotive category of the1948 Locomotive Exchanges on the following dates**:- Midland Region 14 and 16 July Eastern Region 10 and 12 August Western Region 20 August Southern Region 24 August ** information taken from Wikipedia Seasons greetings to everyone who contributes or reads RMweb.

I certainly won't be putting out whisky and a mince pie for him then. Have a good Christmas everyone.

Spelling now corrected ! Perhaps I should have stuck to Father Christmas ?

It's not accurate because Santa Claus doesn't exist !o

The tender looks like the smaller Group Standard 3500 gal with long cutaways to the tops of the tenders as fitted to some J39s. I don't think any B1s were fitted with this type. I think all (?) B1s had the larger 4200gal group standard tenders. Also, if doing a Scottish example don't forget to alter the corners of the fairing under the running plate. These had rounded corners. Gresley style.

I think the recent posts here have rather gone OT. Can we please stick to the topic ie Buckjumpers/GE locos and none of this other stuff. Very disappointing to get notified of a posting on this topic and find it's nothing to do with the topic. GER forever!

Thanks Tony. Now that you mention it I think I have read that somewhere else. Thankfully not too difficult to correct. I will take another look at the BT film.

Like this one

A good view of the Thompson roofs with pressure ventilation can be see in the opening scenes of the 1954 BT film 'Elizabethan Express' available on YouTube. The KingsX departure is filmed overhead from the station footbridge. One of my favourite films that was often shown on wet days at primary school when we had to stay in the hall at lunchtime. Enjoy !

I believe it was the servicing area at York adjacent to the two turntables. The concrete roof is the same as photos I have seen on the internet. The area has more recently been used by the museum for restoration, most noteably the recent major overhaul of Sir Nigel. See also photo of 60103 taken by me in 2017 which I believe is standing in this area. There was a high level public viewing platform in the museum to see the work being undertaken. I believe it has since been repurposed as an area with interactive exhibits and for which there is a charge to enter. I attach a photo seen on flickr taken at the time of the Home Counties Railway Society tour in October 1964 which I was on. The rostered loco for the trip was 70020 Mercury. I only took B&W photos on this occasion but not in this area. Hope I don't offend anyone by copying this photo here and will immediately delete if requested.

Did you file a flat on the driven axle for the grub screw to press on and avoid slipping on the axle? - says he who is full of ideas and achieved little! Are the wheels Romford so can be easily removed or press ons?

I would recommend the 1953 BT film 'Elizabethan Express' for anyone wishing to see the original interior of the buffet lounge. The film can be found on YouTube.

Tony, I think I have seen this one before but I'm not sure if it was in Wright Writes. The interest at the time was in the coaches behind the loco which I think are pre war streamliners in post war service in Scotland. Did I read somewhere that Hornby might be producing their Coronation coaches in BR livery?

An interesting story related by the late Peter Townend in his book Top Shed, of which I have both a signed original copy and the subsequent reprint, concerned 61379 Mayflower. I am sure that anyone who has a copy or has read a copy of his book will remember the story. The occasion concerned an American Society from Boston who had chartered a train to Boston from Kings Cross. The real 61379 Mayflower had been borrowed from Immingham shed to haul the train. Unfortunately the loco was declared unfit at Top Shed having arrived with three driving axles hot. There being no time to effect a repair, and in order not to disappoint, a quick decision was made to renumber Top Shed's own 61179 to 61379 and transfer name and number plates and plaques to masquerade as Mayflower for the special charter. Apparently all went well until some time later a young trainspotter enquired, presumably to Eastern Region HQ, why he had seen two locos numbered 61379 on Top Shed that morning ! The depot, on confessing to the subterfuge, were duly admonished and told not to do it again.

Although a Thompson A2/3, not a Peppercorn A2, I saw 60512, Steady Aim, at Perth shed after withdrawal in August 1965 with a yellow warning stripe -see photo attached. I think I read somewhere that this had been incorrectly applied. Another Scottish loco which was incorrectly applied with a warning stripe was BR Std Clan Pacific, 72006, Clan Mackenzie. I was fortunate to have a run behind this loco on the December 1963 LCGB railtour Paddington to Swindon Works. I've read through the earlier discussions re the eras and I agree they are a useful starting point for researching your particular period of interest but as Tony has often said, there's no better research than a reliably captioned photo to get things right. In the days when my club exhibited a layout, because club members had different allegiances to different regions and periods of BR, we did ring the changes during the exhibition. But we had a layout manager who strictly enforced what trains/locos would be appropriate to be seen together. Clive should remember it well! Although yellow warning panels started to be applied from 1961/2, I took a photo of a Brush Type2 (Class 31 to younger readers) taken as late as June1963 on the Colchester diesel servicing point. Does anyone have a later record of a diesel without a yellow warning panel? Was there ever any analysis whether the yellow warning panels, small or large, were an effective safety measure? My modeling interest, purely based on nostalgia, is in the eras 4 and 5 and it was perfectly possible to still see the earlier lion and wheel emblem post 1957 especially on the lesser steam classes. I think the express locos ,8Ps and 7Ps, would have been changed quite early on introduction of the later totem.

For anyone interested in further research into these locos I would refer you to the 'Southern Way' publication Special Issue No11 " The 'Booster' Locos CC1/CC2/20003 " published in 2015 by Noodle Books. Copies are available on Ebay at various prices.

For anyone interested in further research into these locos I would refer you to the 'Southern Way' publication Special Issue No11 " The 'Booster' Locos CC1/CC2/20003 " published in 2015 by Noodle Books. Copies are available on Ebay at various prices.

Hi Airfix wagons not mentioned so far are Presflo, Preswin ,Lowmac, 12T Meat Van and Oil Tank. In my youth i built most of the smaller Kitmaster locos but not the Duchess or Beyer Garrett. The boxes used to show, around the edge, other models in the range including those to be produced. One of those was an A3 which I don't think was ever made. I wonder how many Tony would have built if it had been done! Regarding aircraft models, some of which I also built, was the problem of storage as they do take up a lot of room especially in the larger scales. I wonder how many parents have been left with a loft full of models when their sons had flown the nest.

Hi, You might like to see these from this late steam period - taken by me August bank holiday 1967. Lancaster - photo snatched from a passing train, we were heading South. Looks like some cleaning on the boiler but not the tender. Entering Preston from the South South end of Preston about the same time of day as the previous photo.