Limpley Stoker

Warburton, bread, I GET IT NOW    ....................................LOL.......................................

Actually he is a roll model........

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Excellent pics: the black Hall looks so much better in Sepia , but it does seem much more shiny, I'm wondering why?

It's going to be a job to fit it in that way round Rob - unless you do a Larry and knock a hole in the wall.

Thank goodness a footbridge is being built. I have ruined several pairs of shoes crossing the lines on the ballast without a wooden walkway. Hopefully that nice Photographer, who takes pictures several times a day, can take them from the new footbridge without using that noisy drone.

More shots of the Captains Hall.

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I'm glad the SR driver has learned the route, and it's good to see a Swindon product again : as has been said before- everything looks good in your setting of Brent - even a black Hall, and the visiting B o B which was beautifully weathered. I am now addicted to BrentWatch.

I have said many times before that the generosity of people who follow this thread is heartwarming. An example yesterday was receiving this beauty from Graham Muz for my crew familiarisation turns by SR crews on GWR rails.

Anti Aircraft Command with Collett stock.

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I've noticed an outbreak of Spams

It's not to my taste -

It's seems such a waste

When we could see GW diagrams.

This is a new angle with the camera sat on the cattle dock grass bank.

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Any news of the promised, stench free, footbridge- it takes forever to cross the line with so many trains.....

Mike

Hi Rob,

 

I am resting a sore back and it has been raining in Headingly so I had a bit of a google for you. The livery you have would appear to be authentic but for a slightly earlier period

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64673-english-china-clay-ltd-wagons-in-the-1940s/

 

http://cornishmemory.com/item/WMA_P1_1_083

 

In this video at about 4 mins in, you will see an ECC liveried vehicle being tippled into a ship at Fowey Harbour during the right sort of era. The film does dart about through time but I think this bit is late "big 4". You can just about see the livery under the white of the clay. It seems to have the Lovering lettering but I reckon your suggestion of weathering the heck out of your wagon  would work.  Leaving a bit of the word English and perhaps St Austell, but covering or removing the area where the lettering would differ?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKnNWfMmnE

 

I also found some Mr Cholmondley-Warner footage which has no trains in it but is worth a watch

 

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/china-clay-3

Mr Cholmondley-Warner says 'coal was short and so were the men'...

He wouldn't have said that in the Rashleigh Arms.........

Hi Rob,

 

I am resting a sore back and it has been raining in Headingly so I had a bit of a google for you. The livery you have would appear to be authentic but for a slightly earlier period

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64673-english-china-clay-ltd-wagons-in-the-1940s/

 

http://cornishmemory.com/item/WMA_P1_1_083

 

In this video at about 4 mins in, you will see an ECC liveried vehicle being tippled into a ship at Fowey Harbour during the right sort of era. The film does dart about through time but I think this bit is late "big 4". You can just about see the livery under the white of the clay. It seems to have the Lovering lettering but I reckon your suggestion of weathering the heck out of your wagon  would work.  Leaving a bit of the word English and perhaps St Austell, but covering or removing the area where the lettering would differ?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKnNWfMmnE

 

I also found some Mr Cholmondley-Warner footage which has no trains in it but is worth a watch

 

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/china-clay-3

Thank you for posting this link to the Fowey workings. I came back from a week in Fowey yesterday ( 2 hrs in the jam around Ivybridge) and wondered how the ECC traffic was shipped out. Next time I'll be on the A30!

Mike

Actually round here they call it a rail replacement service. Wouldn't trust a bus company to sort out replacing the rails. They certainly can't run train services.

Talking of a rail replacement service, I was wondering if we might see an engineers train in possession at Brent.......?

Mike

By coincidence I was in The Hop Pole only last week - very pleased to see the running-in board reinstated on the platform and nicely painted.  No sign of a steam railmotor in the bay platform waiting to leave for Mallingford though!

 

Gerry

I'm hoping to finish my station before Kernow's steam railmotor arrives from Camborne. That gives me a couple of years!!

Mike

Apologies to regulars who have seen these before shots of the down station building before painting.

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Many thanks for posting these photos again for me. The plasticard detailing is really crisp. One question, did you paint the sides before assembling the building- you have painted the wood framing so neatly. I think this is the reason your close up pictures of your structures are so convincing- no sign of shaky hands !!

Mike

Are you going to include the branch platform too?  

 

The The Hop Pole or Wheelwrights are always good spots to contemplate the line to Mallingford.

I have laid out the branch platform ready for wood plank surfacing and wooden support structure. In theory I could squeeze in a model of the Hop Pole but it would obscure the best view of passing trains, so I will have to make do with the real one!

Mike

A beautiful morning in Brent sees a quiet period in the down station building.

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As a latecomer to these pages I was trying to see how your lovely station building was made as I am remaking my version of Limpley Stoke station. I suspect it is built up layers of plastic extrusions- I was rummaging around page 440 of this addictive journal but failed to find the answer!

Mike

4547 prepares to leave for Kingsbridge.

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I was wrong- only had to wait 10 minutes!

Mike

A beautiful morning in Brent sees a quiet period in the down station building.

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That looks so real and inviting. An empty station suggests a long wait for the next train so it's a bar of Cadburys fruit and nut from the machine and half an hour on that seat with today's News Chronicle. Shan't bother to weigh myself fully clothed though.

Mike

 

It is the seating capacity. Thirds only have one but comps will have two.

 

Here is the clearest one I have myself .

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Mike Wiltshire

This photo emphasises the missing glazing bar on the lavatory windows. I have attempted to add these on my BR versions, where it is more noticeable in the cream : it adds a little regional character, but it isn't so noticeable in the mahogany.

It is the seating capacity. Thirds only have one but comps will have two.

 

Here is the clearest one I have myself .

 

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Mike Wiltshire

I understand that one of the reasons for right/left handed composites was not only to ensure that the corridors were on the same side but also that if their was a dining car between the two composites the first class section of each composite would be arranged closest to the dining car. This ensuring the upper classes didn't have too far to walk for dinner. Well according to Harris anyway

So that's probably why no all first class coaches were built , it would be too far to walk for lunch the entire length of a coach, so half a first class coach either side of the restaurant car saved all that walking. Now when do we get the restaurant car to go with the pair of composer?

So that's probably why no all first class coaches were built , it would be too far to walk for lunch the entire length of a coach, so half a first class coach either side of the restaurant car saved all that walking. Now when do we get the restaurant car to go with the pair of composer?

Auto-typo there, should read compos.......

Could someone confirm if I have interpreted the L/H v R/H layout correctly from the Hornby website pictures.

 

If I stood in the Guard's compartment and looked up the coach, a left hand coach has the compartments to the left and the corridor to the right.

 

Have I got that right?

 

Thanks

And while getting an expert opinion, why are the Composites LH and RH :surely they could just turn the coach round for the best view of the sea!

It all depends which figures you look at and how they are presented.  Until barrier crossings became very widespread incidents at gated crossing were at a significantly higher overall rate (i.e adjusted to reflect the differing quantities of the various types of crossing) that those at crossings with barriers.  Such data was often presented as part of the reasoning behind level crossing conversions.

 

These figures cover the period 1970-75 for BR

 

Manned Gated Crossings at 31.12.75 - 1,269, average number 1970 -75 - 1,419

Accidents 1970-75

Average number per year - 63.3, average number of persons killed per year - 3.3, % accident rate per year - 4.4%, % rate number of persons killed per year - 0.2

 

Manually Controlled Barriers (including CCTV monitored) at 31.12.75 - 394, average number 1970 - 75 - 250

Accidents 1970 -75

Average number per year - 1, average number of persons killed per year - 0, % accident rate per year - 0.4%, % rate persons killed per year - 0

 

AHB Crossings at 31,12 .75 - 224, average number 1970-75 215

Accidents 1970-75

Average number per year - 3.7, average number of persons killed per year - 0.5, % Accident rate per year - 1.7%, % rate of persons killed per year 0.2%

 

There is no comparable information for AOC/AOC(L) crossings as the above data is from a Report looking into greater use of these types of crossing.  It can easily be seen that by every measure the traditional gated level crossing had both the highest number of accidents but more significantly by far the highest rate of accidents and a  percentage rate of fatalities which was on a par with AHB crossings.  These figures were not in the least way very much difference with general UK accident rates at the various types of level crossing over an even longer period of time.

 

BUT one thing should be borne in mind - one of the most common type of incident at gated crossings was motorists colliding with the gates whether or not that subsequently brought them into collision with a train plus the far, far rarer instance of the gates being open to road traffic when they should have been closed (I don't think there were any such incidents in the period dealt with above.  But overall apart from any economic argument in favour of automation there was a very clear indication that statistically such crossings were no more dangerous than (and in many respects less dangerous than traditional fully gated crossings).

 

 

Perhaps the title of this thread and Beast's recent post indicate the reason why things might have changed at automatic crossings since the 1970s - there are more idiots driving motor vehicles and not even solid Victorian gates will necessarily stop them going for a Darwin Award.

Thank you for those fascinating figures, which are presumably used by NR today. It would be interesting to drill down and find the root causes of accidents at gated crossings, and see what percentage were due to mechanical failure , presumably signals were fail safe. Did vehicles ram closed gates, or could human error on the part of the gatekeeper be possible?

The risk seeking driver is probably not a completely new phenomenon, but encouraged by the apparent ease of dodging the modern barriers.

I believe it takes a staff of three to man a gated crossing, obviously a big expense compared to a remotely controlled barrier system- cost saving is obviously the main driver for modernisation. The District Council planners at Lewes have yet to be persuaded that removal of the grade 2 listed gates can be permitted, and have placed an injunction on NR : the station building, signal box and crossing gates were listed as a group of structures.

 

 

Network Rail insist the modern level crossings are safer than the good old fashioned gated crossings :surely a physical gate with well maintained Victorian mechanism is the safest, but most expensive option.

I'm with the planners in Sussex in preventing NR replacing the grade 2 listed gates in Plumpton. Even dogs can't get through the gates!

At the start of this thread the Horsham to Guildford service in the late '50s was mentioned. I have unearthed a blurry picture I took of two coaches in the coach siding at Horsham in 1957 and wondered if they were part of a birdcage set. I vaguely remember them to be in vermillion.