Fishplate

19 minutes ago, Stubby47 said:

Full immersion in GWR.

Controversial. . . .

Light blue touch paper etc 🤣🤣

30 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

What I'm saying here is a good thing. It's identifying a change is needed. I'm not tearing up or dismissing all my previous efforts. Far from it. I'm just saying a reset is definately needed. 

= evolution, not revolution. 

It will be interesting to see where you go next Rob following your visit to Bracknell. I am sure we will all be eagerly awaiting the outcome.  

27 minutes ago, Gopher said:

End of the line at Dewchurch. 

Very nice. I don't think you've shown that view before ?

Interestingly, just a little further east, this is all that is visible of the Faversham Creek branch. This section served a former quayside coal yard. 

OSGR TR019619, or What3words: eternally. morphing. materials. 

Or for Sailors (as it is a quayside) 51°19'15"N, 000° 53' 47" E (although suggest you need to be slightly further west 😂) 

12 hours ago, melmerby said:

And this with two marooned coaches.

York

12 hours ago, jwealleans said:

Yes, I can vouch for the canteen.

Sausage (or bacon) sandwich + coffee + model railway exhibition = happiness

Recommended simple life formula 🙂

Thank you Graham.

Been to that one before and remember the 23 exhibition being cancelled as the school lost some cladding in the high winds a few days before the exhibition and so was closed on safety grounds. Look forward to seeing you there. 

ps Nice canteen as well 👍😁

59 minutes ago, jwealleans said:

 

I should say that we'd be very pleased to see other people's photographs from any show.  It's nice and also of interest to see the layout as it's viewed rather than from our side of the backscene.

Hi Jonathan @jwealleans, happy to oblige. The layout at York on 31st March '24.

Hopefully my penchant for empty track, rather than trains/locomotives, will give others the opportunity to satisfy the trainspotters anticipation of what's next? 

Which exhibition in Newcastle is it you are at? Is there a poster/link you or Graham @LNER4479 can share?

John

On 09/05/2024 at 06:51, KNP said:

Local farmer reads headlines in newspapers.....

 

Have you send the Panniers?

Concern raised as they appear to be missing

Our roving reporter goes on search to find them!!!

Keep reading for latest news

When I read this I immediately thought the Panniers might be missing in action.

But then, as this is LM, I realised I was just missing inaction. . . . .

@steve fay Wow. I don't think I've ever seen Bullhead track on concrete blocks with tie bars modelled before. I've only ever seen them once in my railway career on BR lines. Superb modelling.

19 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

My apologies - I thought everyone of my age (i.e. old f@rts) would have been to one of those seaside tearooms with a little garden by the side. A string ran up over a pulley and down behind some plants and/or rocks, with a sign saying "pull to see the water 'otter" - with a very tiny apostrophe.

 

On pulling said string, up rose, not an Ascot, but a battered old kettle.

Thank you for the background.

I'll have a word with the parent. I clearly missed out on this cultural and clearly formative experience as a youngster 🤣. I wonder what the yoof of today would make of it?

On 03/05/2024 at 01:52, St Enodoc said:

I remember, at the seaside, paying a penny to pull a string and see the Water Otter. You all know the rest

Got the Ascot reference now, thank you. Still baffled by paying to pull strings to see one and knowing the rest though. 🤔 

Definitely either not wiv it today Guv'ner, or unedyerkated  in such matters.

Painted and planted the sleeper fence today. It's not glued in position.

The fence sits 10mm in front of the backscene. As with the Carriage cleaning platform I want to move the boards as close as possible to there final position before gluing everything down and ballasting up to the fence. That will hide the small gap at ground level and cover the platform 'feet'. 

3 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

There's a lot of strange talk wot I don't get, going on on this thread at the moment...

13 hours ago, Fishplate said:

Yup. If you know, you know, but if you don't , you don't. Hohum.

You and me both are going 🤔. Would be nice if someone would explain wots going on, wouldn't it 🙂? 

13 hours ago, 009 micro modeller said:

I thought Sheffield Supertram used a compromise profile on the tram-trains

As someone involved in the track design at Sheffield, I can confirm the tramtrain does have a compromise wheel profile. That is what prompted my initial query on how the system in Glasgow worked. The tramway and railway at Sheffield are both nominally 4ft 8 1/2 inches.

S&C on the new heavy rail connections between the railway and tramway at both Tinsley and Parkgate, and on all the existing S&C between Tinsley and Parkgate all have new, or been modified with, raised check rails.

I believe there were some track modifications within the Sheffield tram system as well.

7 hours ago, Oldddudders said:

And you thought Ascot was an affair of hats and horses?

Yup. If you know, you know, but if you don't , you don't. Hohum.

Done. Now to ruin paint it.

The longer sections have developed a bit of a curve, but will straighten out when I plant them

On 03/05/2024 at 01:52, St Enodoc said:

I remember, at the seaside, paying a penny to pull a string and see the Water Otter. You all know the rest.

I don't ☹️

3 hours ago, cctransuk said:

Why did the tramway have a sub-standard gauge?

@009 micro modeller and I posted at about the same time. 

I didn't know that the tramway had a narrower gauge until I read:

3 hours ago, 009 micro modeller said:

Given that Glasgow trams were 4’ 7 3/4” gauge to accommodate standard gauge railway wagons

I was coming from an (incorrect) assumption that track gauge was 4ft 8 1/2 inches on the tramway, so wheel profiles/ back to backs wouldn't match and would need to be modified. The tighter gauge would make the wheel back to backs the same. 

Whilst railway flanges are thicker than trams/light rail today, who knows what they may have been like in 1871, or machined to locally for passage along these lines in later years. 

Presumably the non-standard bogies for tram vehicles was a nominal expense.

Hats off to the Victorians for that bit of forward thinking. An integrated transport system. What were they thinking of??? 

Every day is a school day. Thanks for the information 👍 

This is all very interesting! There must have been some form of special wheel profile, or internal use only wagons. The S&C in the map of Fairfield works looks like short, sharp radii, suggesting tram type geometry, but the modern photos appear to show standard railway track flangeways, but with the only two visible crossing both have a very sharp angle.

Standard railway flanges don't fit in the flangeway of tram track and the wheel treads of a standard wheel would overlap onto the road surface. However, this might account for the apparent damage to the road surface in the old picture (?), just to the right of the tram.

Similarly, tram wheel treads won't interface with standard railway crossings as they are not wide enough to be supported by the wing rails at the flatter angle of a railway crossing nose. But this might support the sharp angle crossings in the modern photo.

The logical place for the wagons to go from the map extract is to Govan station. But that layout suggests standard railway S&C, as it is much longer. However I know OS maps can sometimes be a bit inaccurate when it comes to S&C. (You can see different S&C lengths on the approach to Govan station which illustrate this. There are short turnouts in the main line and long turnouts in the goods yard, which isnt prototypical).

It would be interesting to know if the Fairfield wagons were tripped to Govan station and then loads transferred between the Fairfield and main line wagons.

Presumably at least two lines at Govan station yard also had tramway electrification.

There is also a 90 degree flat crossing of the tramway tracks into the Govan shipyard buildings shown on the map. Was that connection electrified? Did Fairfield Engineering contract to Govan ?

22 hours ago, Ponthir28 said:

I think is that a glimpse of a pannier on the edge of photo.

Could that be a glimpse of an ankle, Mr Darcy?

2 hours ago, GloryDays said:

Are Panniers anything like rabbits?

Must be rats. You are never more than 6ft from a Pannier at LM.... 

2 hours ago, Northroader said:

you have to pot a red (D299) before going on to a colour

During the early 80s, virtually every other car was red. This meant that, in what I found out to be the Kent Police game of traffic snooker, my black mini was worth seven points.

I had to take my MOT and Insurance details into the local police station "within 14 days" on a number of occasions for what appeared to me to be odd reasons for randomly pulling me over. Presumably that tactic was used as evidence in determining an individual officers score. 

Interestingly, after the black Mini blew up, we changed to a white Talbot Avenger Estate. Never subsequently troubled by the police for apparent 'offences'.

Found out about "Traffic Snooker" whilst listening to a Radio 2 phone in some years later when the caller "confessed" to achieving the highest break for a shift. . . . . . Mutter.

21 hours ago, Sasquatch said:

No trains but this is right adjacent to the station. 

Superb. Who needs trains in a picture showing this quality of modelling?

2 hours ago, Stubby47 said:

Something a bit different, approx 1:12 scale

Looks interesting. Dolls House scale ?