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Hi all we are currently working on the next edition of the newsletter, and we’re aiming to distribute this later this month.
In the meantime, if you have any queries about any Locomotionmodels projects, please don’t hesitate to contact us by emailing queries@locomotionmodels.com.
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Here's hoping 43002 & 43185 shall appear as a limited edition, in the upcoming newsletter
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It was a joy and pleasure in splitting down the 68, respraying it and putting it back together again. Most refreshing of a design is for the body to simply clip onto the chassis rather than be screwed down. The etched grills are superb too. The whole level of detail is outstanding and I have to agree, certainly a new benchmark for OO gauge models to look up to. Really pleased with the outcome of 68027, though silly sausage here managed to put the loco numbers in the wrong spot!
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Decals and Dullcote applied now. Shall put handlebars and underframe back together after the weekend. Very pleased with the results thus far. Railtec decals went on superbly.
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This is how far my 68027 is getting on. Shall show when done with Railtec decal packs. Rather pleased with the colour match thus far....
The 68 detailing pack is especially useful as most of the fiddly detail is on one film.
I have to agree with earlier comments, when you strip the 68 back, you really do appreciate how superb the design was by Dapol.
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Would it be correct to assume there shall be more announcements before May is over?
Pattern seems to be Jan, May and Sept
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STATUS UPDATE – BRANCHLINE (OO SCALE)
Tool Room (China)
Mark 2F coaches including DBSO
Sorry to be pedantic, but when was this dated? Does this refer to:
3rd August 2016 when it was stated the Mk2F and DBSO are in CAD/Tooling, seen here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/113613-Bachmann-farish-half-year-product-update/?p=2389209
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6th January 2017 when it was stated the Mk2F and DBSO are in tooling, seen here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/118606-Bachmann-announce-midland-1p-class-203-bep-buffet-car-vea-prestwin-and-carflat/?p=2563965
I'd hope by 13th May 2017 they might of passed into 1st EP samples rather than still in the tool room?
Sorry just like facts. I am patient as I am waiting for future liveries on the Mk2F.
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Looking overall very good to me, seeing both the brake resistors and fuel tanks are separate parts means all of the 800, 801 and 802 can be modelled in the future.
Shape of the nose looks good, naturally painting detail shall change the 'shape'. All 1EP samples on overall grey improve a lot one tweaked and painted. From the earlier posted artwork/computer generated 800002 you can start to get an idea of what the final model shall look like...light years ahead of the Class 395 (a shiny toy like train with those separate coach ends)!
Just disappointing to not see etched parts (at this stage). Ideally the underframe engine grills should be etched, along with grills for the alternator on the driving cars. These etches, along with the roof fans being etched shall make the model look superb. There is a clear difference between the separate part of the roof fan verses the driving car roof. Either way, etching shall solve this (as it does with different roof features on the Class 43).
I totally agree, modern units are smooth and thus the littlest of detail there is when done with attention makes all the difference. Hornby are clearly nearly there with a superb looking product, just needs extra bling to make this one epic model for £££.
I am sure these etches shall be done, usually cannot be seen on a 1st EP.
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May I clarify some points.
- I was strictly suggesting the 37/6 is considered as an exclusive/limited edition/commission for Rails Exclusive.
- Yes the top-light might be considered to require a new roof tooling, this would then be an additional slide created along with the nose ends. Not out of the way for a commissioner to take on. And roof's for the 37 have previously been re-tooled for Rail Exclusives (not to be confused with Rails Exclusive). This demonstrates is it more than possible for a commissioner to have Bachmann re-tool a 37 and even DRS liveries were offered back in 2010 through such a successful initiative.
Rail Exclusives: models variously utilise new tooling commissioned by RAIL EXCLUSIVE including the revised bodysides, flush-fronted nose ends and riveted construction roof
- Utterly agree the Brush works refurbished 37/6s are niche, yet: 1. This is why it appeals as an exclusive/limited edition/commission. 2. Many other 'niche' locomotives (steam, diesel and electric) have been brought to market by commissioner's and 3. Some of these comissions have had less of a time on a network/livery than the 37/6s.
- I was not suggesting all numbers and tooling alterations needed to be offered, that would be business suicide. I was pointing to the potential, for then a commissioner to select a most suitable locomotive tooling assembly to choose.
- Within the 'modern' modelling era. Direct Rail Services livery is extremely popular with recent main range releases from Bachmann, ViTrains and Dapol selling very quickly.
- The risk of a 37/6 to the main range in being niche is countered by a commission of 1000-2000 in different liveries which the market could take and has proven to with other DRS releases.
- I also totally agree that the 20/3 is clearly a test case for Bachmann in the main range, so is the re-tooling of 37099 to similar extent. Thus as above the risk is lessened by being an exclusive/limited edition commission by Rails Exclusive who seem to be well aware of the modern locomotive market.
- It was never my intention to make the thread a wishlist of every single ex-Brush works 37 for DRS, only to demonstrate the potential of chosen one or two possible tenders to consider.
Thus I shall start a specific debate, by choosing out of the Brush works refurbished 37s could be chosen to commission Bachmann to re-tool.
602 & 605 with 'door' noses
606-609 with 'flush & horn' noses
610 & 612 with 'flush' (no horn) noses
DRS original blue 602, 605-612 (though 610 different ends)
DRS Compass 602, 605-612
DRS New Green-fade 37609
Europhoenix - 37608 & 37611.
Maybe even HNRC Orange for 607 & 612!?Clearly it would be wise to choose from 606-609 to best maximise a revised roof tooling and new nose ends. The variation between these is minimal and inline with similar compromises taken for any modern 37/4 in DRS livery.
Say if 37608 is chosen, this then see all DRS as well as Europhoenix liveries. That is 3 liveries which could easily justify 750 pieces each and enough to justify a re-tooling over a 2000 model run. (Naturally the tooling for 37608 allows 606-609 and thus another livery or two over a 2000 commission run).
This gives potentially with one re-tooling:
DRS Compass twin pack of 37607 and 609 (2 x 500)
Europhoenix 37608 (500)
Original DRS 37606 (500)
None of the numbers clash, thus different modern eras can be modeled. Tooling would allow in the future HNRC or DRS Green-fade liveries.
- 2000 is based on known previous commission numbers by other commissioners. eg. London Transport Museum or Rail Exclusives.
- Re-tooling (pre-Brexit) a logical estimation would be 20-35 k including R&D.
- A model retailing around £160 based on todays RRP seems perfectly acceptable in todays market when looking at other current exclusives.
The whole point of limited editions/commissions is to bring to market the niche locomotive or rolling stock. Certainly I would argue the ex-brush 37 works fits that.
I look forward to further, specific discussion on a reality of a commission rather than every single model.
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It's my understanding that there will not be a satin version of the green HST due to the difficulty in reproducing the matt GWR stripe. I've had quite a few conversations with Hornby now and it's not going to happen. I'll probably end up giving it a coat of satin but this in turn provides an headache if they decide to stick the bloody windows in with the same glue as before.....it gets very tedious painting the windows with maskol!
Are you able to confirm that the Mk3s are also to be produced in gloss? Least they then shall match!
Does this imply the GWR livery on the Hitachi Class 800 shall also be gloss? As their technical details online make no mention of this.
That is another concern, the glue. I recently destroyed a Mk3 DVT to re-spray into de-branded 'ex-One' colours and the windows when trying to remove decided to take the body with them! I certainly am not going to touch a £280 locomotive to re-varnish and risk widow 'gate' again.
It is odd that Bachmann are able to reproduce the GWR green livery correctly with a 'dull' finish with matt GWR branding on the upcoming Class 150/2 (150232). As well as GWR themselves commissioning a professional re-sprayer to deliver a Mk3, HST and 166 in GWR green matt-satin finish correctly for publicity when GWR launched....see Precision Labels website for information: http://www.precisionlabels.com/d77gwr.html?new
The trick is to use a different shade (I seem to have been told a slight addition of white to the mix), rather than attempt it in the final varnish finish. (Bachmann pre-production image attached)
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Isn't the cab mounted light also needed which may be problematic? https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2193/32045307524_a8bcdcfef6_b.jpg (Not my photo)
Roy
Yes I would say that is fairly critical, sorry for the oversight. But the cab mounted light can be wired into the cab light on the circuit board, thus just the module needs to be tooled along with the nose ends. Bachmann already have the horn-less roof tooling.
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I am delighted to read others would very much like to see the Brush works refurbished 37/6s as commissions as I was only emailing Rails about such a commission last week. I can only suggest anyone else who would buy a few or more 37/6s to email them too!
As for detailed differences, not as many as what tooling Bachmann already have cannot handle for the body/roof. The commission would have to involve new nose ends (wi-pac light clusters) with the relevant circuit board for lighting. All easily possible in light of 37099 nose re-tool being announced. (and the 20/3s).
A quick jot up of the Brush refurbished 37s with wi-pac light clusters includes:
602 & 605 with 'door' noses
606-609 with 'flush & horn' noses
610 & 612 with 'flush' (no horn) noses - caution as 610 previously to most recent F exam had one end with headcode nose
Talking of headcode noses with wi-pac light clusters you quickly are able to produce 611 as well as 218, 259 and 423! Imagine how popular 37423 would be and the livery changes it has gone through since 2007!!
The 'flush & horn' noses also allow 038, 059 & 069 to be produced.
Sorry back to point, though 37423 would be popular, I can miss the other non-/6s which leave the following liveries:
DRS original blue 602, 605-612 (though 610 different ends)
DRS Compass 602, 605-612
DRS New Green-fade 37609
Europhoenix - 37608 & 37611.
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It may be an option for Hornby to go ahead and produce these limited edition power cars in gloss and later on release a standard production run with different power car numbers (43005/43041 perhaps??) in their 'usual/standard' paint finish.
I could not wish for more, gloss is just not for me in 1:76 scale. Great if you want the power cars on themselves, as it is a high detailed model. Yet the basic Mk3s just would not suit gloss, nor match a gloss power car.
Real shame is I wanted to support Hornby with this model, especially as the GWR plates are etched. That is brilliant. But gloss. Nope. Pre-order cancelled.
I shall wait until more are released, as the HST 'GTI' is promising.
11 sets of 4 coaches for use on PZ to BTM corridor local use in lieu of 158s now not yet being cascaded. Fitted with sliding doors and cet, first set under conversion at Doncaster due out July for intensive testing before second set done.
The doors are very interesting indeed, first coaches under the Wabtec lead programme are two from Crosscountry (42370 & 42036) which are now near complete. An ex-Virgin TF has been used as a static test bed for the design. The first four GWR shall follow including 42168 & 44055, though I cannot find the number of the other two coaches! Reportedly they shall all be re-numbered. A design by a Wabtec portfolio company called Vapor Stone Rail Systems. If ever in the States on a train/metro, you have likely been through a similar Vapor Stone design. Very proven and reliable sliding door. Plus involves a lot less cutting to the Mk3 structure than the previous Chiltern led project using Rail Door Solutions.
I am lead to believe 43002 shall be joining all the 43s now in GWR green, along with the First Group owned ones with the remainder made up of Angel Trains owned powercars. Sadly I do not have specific numbers, I was wanting to make sure I was covered for any possible Oxford Rail Mk3 with Vapor Stone doors with 43187/188 and also asked whether 43002 would be remaining in case it pops up as a limited edition (hopefully NOT in gloss).
Alas, I hope Hornby shall produce another GWR 43 pack in the future in normal Hornby satin finish. Sad only the first 4 ex-works 43s have etched nameplates.
Straight from Kernow Models. ''Hornby announce a First Open Mk3 in GWR Green in response to demand, expected July this year OO Gauge''
Great news, but perhaps I am the only one who is grinning for the excellent marketing by the relevant department at Hornby. Hold back a clearly critical coach, wait for there to be an uproar, then announce you are making one. Brings goodwill all around, but, perhaps because I am in General Election spin mode I am reading too into the lines. Though seeing as production slots and R&D takes years not months to establish before a model is announced, one has a right to be skeptical.
As someone else posted on another thread, lets hope they have the centre coaches planned for T2/800002!
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Temporary livery until the latest April 2018. No point in spending on vinyl's now when they would be replaced by TPE vinyl in less than 12 months.
Northern Belle? No 68s going Northern Belle. The 57/3s are the NB locomotives, and the 57/3 fleet is going no where. 68s used by other charters who hire out the NB set/or NB using them on certain routes where the 68s are of benefit.
I would rather Dapol focus on a couple more full livery DRS on the 68s than a livery which shall unlikely last the time before they hit the shops!
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Looks cracking! I hope some Anglia liveries ones in 'One' blue and Greater Anglia white are planned?! Perhaps I can finally model Norwich correctly with my GA Hornby 153, DRS 68/37 and a 156 before the Stadler Flirts enter service in early-mid 2019.
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I think the gloss effect makes it look tacky. A matt-satin standard finish is far more preferable for a scaled model. I wonder can I be supported or not through a poll?
What is disappointing, is the GWR plates are not to be etched. I personally would much prefer these were etched (ahla Bachmann 57 in GWR) than a gimicky gloss.
Seeing as 187/188 are expected to see service well into the future with GWR and Oxford Rail shall more than likely deliver the sliding doors then I much rather any collector who wants a gloss finish do so in their own shed time.
When shall the gloss finish decision be finalised, as I shall need to know whether to cancel my order or not ASAP. If gloss is chosen, can it be confirmed Hornby would produce more GWR HSTs in to the future to support modelling of the HST GTI sets?
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I'm sure I read that Hornby will be releasing extra coaches for the GWR class 800, to make the full 9 car set.
Can anyone confirm this or am I mistaken?
T4 aka 800004 is a five car train, thus you cannot form it into nine car. I believe it has been suggested nine car Class 800/801/802 are possible in the future, though the market for a nine car train might be small.
I think most if not all of the 250 customers who have secured T2 aka 800002 might like the three missing centre cars.....
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DRS livery planned too as a limited edition? Would suit 37405 well on any East Anglian layout!
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Anyone know if Dapol will be distributing more of the DRS livery Class 68, and if so when? Missed out on the first batch...
Cheers
It has been stated by Dapol over on the Digest that they plan to release ALL 68s over time. I do know a new batch is planned for the end of this year. Featuring DRS livery where the green fade has been corrected.
Seeing as DRS shall soon have up to 034 there are plenty more releases forthcoming.
Kind of regret cancelling my pre-order as I could of re-sold on eBay for some beers in the meantime between this release and the next!
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Does anyone know if Hornby will be releasing coaches for the Class 800 Hitachi test train?
Thanks
See as T2 is mainly intended as a corporate gift/production rights then I would not hold out for them. With only 250 released to public and I suspect the majority of people who ordered them as collectors...Hornby might struggle to get enough orders for the three additional coaches. Though not to mean I do not want them! I certainly do as I intend to run my T2.
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How much are the DRS 68001 limited editions?
Seeing DRS retail models in the shop at near or slightly over RRP, we shall be looking slightly above £145? Just like with Bachmann pricing issues, sometimes the final price is not known until the product leaves the factory as it is highly dependent on labour cost.
All profits are donated to DRS's nonimated charities chosen by staff member.
Remember the model shall be offered internally first.
I am debating whether to get it, as there shall be plenty more DRS livery 68 releases from Dapol over the years.
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I ordered mine from a local dealer and have just been informed the price has INCREASED, he says £169.99 is the new Dapol retail price. Apparantly Dapol do this for every new model just before release.
How can the little shops compete when deals are done with the big box shifters?
Perhaps you do not follow Dapol's webpage and Digest? I suggest you take up your grievance with your retailer as Dapol have been very clear about pricing.
Dapol stated in October: For all products that have been ordered already, Dapol will honour the old pricing, however for orders received after October 31st the new price list will come into force.
Link: http://Dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=blog/post&bpath=2&post_id=19
This means if you pre-ordered the retailers original price is honoured by Dapol. Now if that retailer wants to profiteer from the price increase, I would consider taking your business elsewhere.
Mine are pre-ordered with Kernow, which on reading Dapol press release I confirmed with them that my order at £118 per 68 is honoured.
Facts not alternative facts.
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Both will differ from Bachmann's main catalogue items and will feature a gloss paint (not varnish) finish of matching BR lined bronze green.
All profits from the sale of the National Collection in Miniature range go directly to benefit Locomotion museum and the NRM'
Thank you for the confirmation. I propose as a compromise I shall make a donation to the NRM when next in York as I am going to stay with my pre-order of the standard range. Gloss paint does not for me make the limited edition unique enough. It is a shame Bachmann released 66779 as a standard model as it would be been a superb limited edition to the NRM only.
No doubt there shall be some superb limited editions this year which I shall instantly order (43002/43185 cough cough).
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Meaning later in 2018 we can see some East Anglian liveries before Stadler see's them off in 2019?
I am already saving for a 156 in either ex-One National Express or Greater Anglia (white)....