RJennings

Any rough ideas as to the pricing of the Mk4 / DVT sets when they are available to pre-order? Just thinking in terms of trying to budget for these going forward ... Otherwise have to say this is looking very impressive!

Firstly I would like to say a very big thank you to everyone in this thread for their advice and great assistance with this. Secondly, a little update from Nationwide . . . . . . I have received this morning a letter in the post confirming that I have been refunded the 2 deposits (This is 1x APT and 1x Class 92) which were purchased through my debit card / Raised through the Visa chargeback process. Not wishing to go into the contents of the letter itself it was noted that where non delivery arises from administration / liquidation such a claim could be raised within 120 days from the expected date (aka delivery) BUT had to be within 540 days of the transaction itself (I presume first deposit in this case). So my contribution to this thread for others hitting a wall with Nationwide is to go down the formal complaint route if you are getting nowhere with the visa chargeback and be persistent and hopefully you will get the result you want.

Update from me; still no luck with debit card chargeback through Nationwide for a couple of deposits - they are sticking to the 120 day limit from point of purchase so are not pursing the claim nor refunding me. Anyone else in the same situation with nationwide? Or been successful with them?

Sounds like a N gauge class 92 in Stobart livery to me ...

Been told by nationwide that they are unable to process my claim for the APT and one class 92 deposit as it’s over the 120 day time limit for visa chargeback (no other reason stated). Reply duly sent with information from the posts above and now awaiting a response ...

Just been having a chat with Nationwide here and a few things that may be worth sharing; Firstly - PayPal payments appear do indeed go through as Direct Debits so unfortunately little the bank can do with these so would need to raised through PayPal. Secondly - Reference Visa Chargeback (Debit card payments outside of PayPal) - Does appear the bank can put a claim in for these BUT in the event it is not successful looks unlikely you could raise this through the receivers subsequently. Of note was that for 'best' chance of being successful with such a claim through the chargeback route the bank would like to see evidence that an individual has attempted to make contact with the seller in question (Even if this results in an automated out of office response) but at least documents tried to resolve with the seller / clarify if the product would be delivered fully or in part. Edit: This does potentially mean that for those who paid APT deposits through DJ Models site with a Debit Card this payment could be covered under Visa.

https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/south-eastern-class-395-Hornby-visitor-centre.html 395013 named 'Hornby Visitor Centre' at Ramsgate this morning now available to pre-order . . . Edit: Hornby do not appear at first glance to be doing the extra 2 coaches to make it the full train however?

Not had anything from Hornby about my order but on reading the last few posts duly logged in to find that Hornby have tried (and failed) to take payment to which they gave me until end of the month to update payment details (Same as before ironically) and now appears order being processed now.

Reference current crowd funding I will be open and say that at present I have £698.99 of deposits paid with DJModels for an APT and Class 92s. Yes, I am a little anxious right now with current progress and uncertainty over these projects viability going forward as this is a huge sum of money to potentially lose but maybe as others have said its time to cut and run and accept the loss now. On the flip side have not seen anything from Dave to say these projects are on the rocks / in trouble so can only assume progress is still being made behind the scenes on them. I would also state in fairness to Dave I am also a 'crowdfunder' on Revolutions 320/321 project which so far in 3 years has only reached the CAD stage as well but with an outlay of £430 thus far so to me I feel Dave has been getting a lot of perhaps unfair criticisms. Also not seen a 3D print of this either ... With regards to this statement in general nothing to add on this bar my own take on it which simply suggests trying to stop those he has paid for work done ready from using it / selling it to another individual / party to produce said models. Putting it in the public domain perhaps was to try and act as a warning to all that Dave is watching the market ...

Just spotted: https://djmodels.co.uk/major-djm-announcement-coming-1st-may-2019 In brief . . .

Update posted on DJModels blog for quick update on N gauge releases in general; https://djmodels.co.uk/blog

Order arrived during the week - very impressive dataing ... however little concerned as to how one of the TEAs has arrived with quite a large amount of plastic loose in the packaging / what appears to be assembly ‘issues’ also ... Edit: all others arrived perfectly fine so is isolated to this single one.

As much as I want the DJ Models Class 92 to succeed the announcement today does make me very nervous about this project going any further. My gut feeling for this (and the Revolution Class 320/321) has been for some time the development seems to be taking a VERY long time from an initial deposit having being paid to something tangable being shown - Even the APT seems to be more advanced development wise than this is by the looks of it and it does concern me big time this projects future could potentially be in doubt further down the line. Whilst the newsletters are showing signs of progress behind the scenes I can perhaps only hope progress is made swiftly on this and some re-assuarnces that this project can still be viable going forward are forthcoming as I personally don't wish to lose out on this in both N and OO. If this had been released a year ago todays announcement would be a it 'meh' as a highly detailed class 92 would be in the market but its now a tough choice of stick (and hope) or swap knowing its likely to progress . . .

Just seen on Dapol’s Facebook page they are now taking pre-orders for their OO factory fitted sound TPE 68 - RRP £250. Order since duly placed. Edit: should mention scale!

Not sure it is - Looks a much more refined 3D print as the details are certainly more visible on this one (And no odubt the more eagle eyeyed will spot the differences if there are any of course). (Ref 2017 print below)

Current progress as taken on DJModels stand at Warley 2018 . . . (Apologies for quality but was taken on my mobile at the time)

Wishing to bring this back on topic if possible but photo of current progress as taken on DJModels stand at Warley 2018 . . . (Apologies for quality but was taken on my mobile at the time)

Whilst I for one am 'concerned' with apparent progress on the OO (And N) 92s I am more concerned about the large amount of negativity this project is getting over others in similar situations. Going through my pre-orders tells me that there are other projects out there which have had deposits taken yet no physical sign of any product beyond CAD/CAM stage with no real sign of when (Or if) it will ever be delivered - Much the same as this in fairness. That said personally I am thoroughly looking forward to this and the 3D print that was on display at Warley tells me this will be well worth the wait and that are things progressing with it behind the scenes which fills me with confidence.

Mobile pic of the for anyone interested who did not go to Warley ...

Reference TPE 68 see http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/119978-dapols-new-class-68-locomotives/?p=3318982

One of mine had the exact same issue and can't remember the exact solution top of my head but I (think) it was a CV reset that fixed it (But NOT the resetting of the decoder itself) and / or reset of the DCC Controller to factory settings and all then seemed to work fine afterwards. Apologies can not be of more help was a few months back and did not write the solution down at the time.

Not urgent and apologies if already answered further up but ... For those of us who paid a deposit initially will we need to re-order through the new website like with the APT or is just leave as is for now? Likewise with the Stobart 92 in N and I see also in OO now do we order this through the new website since certainly with th N one no deposit was taken (though did express an interest but not had any confirmation of this being received so wish to check so as to not double order?). Many thanks in advance.

Out of curisority has anyone managed to be able to pre-order one of the OO TPE 68s (Sound fitted) direct from Dapol? Did appear very briefly previously but then dussappeared just as quick. Have e-mailed Dapol but seems to go down to being a popular model so none with fitted sound will be made available which seems a bit odd if this is the only way to obtain factory fitted sound is through Dapol direct only ???

Definately will be ordering as these have been on the would like list for a while so thank you ever so much. As for the can all 3 run on the same service I have attached a pic I took of 6L48 passing Rugby 07 June 2018 and you can just about see the 3 different variants being proposed at the front (Stakes / No Stakes / Hooded).