chris45lsw

On 23/04/2024 at 10:10, St Enodoc said:

No, but knowing that the C77 has a fictitious number might be...

Even sadder W1168W was actually a K34 'Toplight' BG, rebuilt former a WW1 Ambulance Car (withdrawn in 1962).

Chris KT

On 23/04/2024 at 19:32, Tony Teague said:

Whilst Steve has been grassing away to his heart's content, there has also been progress elsewhere.

 

Sinkholes seem to be a current fad and as my layout is supposed to mimic reality, it came as no surprise that one had appeared under Stow Magna goods yard - well it could just be subsidence; you can see the result here:

 

 

It is actually the result of a baseboard construction fault, in that the left hand board has a leg under it, whilst the right hand one was simply screwed to the left one and whatever was used has slipped over the 15+ years since they were made (not by me I hasten to add!).

 

With Giles' help we put in an extra support, and with the careful use of an Irish screwdriver (hammer) we persuaded the right hand board upwards:

 

 

Sadly, the cork underlay, ballast and the track itself did not appreciate this degree of adjustment and so I have since had to take more radical action, this time involving the use of a Dremel & cutting disc:

 

 

On a brighter note, it appeared that only the front reception siding was seriously affected & requiring replacement:

 

 

(Now looks bowed upwards but it isn't); fishplates soldered in place & electrical continuity tested

 

 

Ballasted, only some serious weathering now needed before traffic can resume!

 

Meanwhile, on the recent arrival of the excellent Accurascle banana vans I may have mentioned that in my drawer-full of unmade kits there were two Parkside GWR banans vans & so I prioritsed their building so as to give the train a bit more length:

 

 

They will get some weathering with the rest of the train, which now at 16 vans has reached a reasonably acceptable length; I'll post another pic when these are back in the consist.

 

Tony

 

 

 

 

Hello Tony

Small point.  GWR Bananas had a white disc.  The yellow spot was a BR innovation which only came in after steam heating Banana vans was discontinued from around 1959, I think.

Loved the coaching stock 'series' by the way.

Chris Knowles-Thomas  

On 09/02/2024 at 14:01, Steamport Southport said:

 

I never had that book but I found the nickname in a reissue of a SR Loco Spotters ABC from 1942 which ISTR I bought from the NRM in about 1980.

 

I had assumed that the word had a different meaning back in the day. Seems not!

 

 

 

 

Jason

On 09/02/2024 at 14:01, Steamport Southport said:

 

I never had that book but I found the nickname in a reissue of a SR Loco Spotters ABC from 1942 which ISTR I bought from the NRM in about 1980.

 

I had assumed that the word had a different meaning back in the day. Seems not!

 

 

 

 

Jason

Yes, I had forgotten that epithet for the failing Marsh 4-4-2Ts (except the I3s).  But my original 1942 and 1946 ABCS spell out the word in full!

Chris KT 

On 03/01/2024 at 20:53, manna said:

G'Day Folks

 

I lived in a long terrace of house's in north London, not a lot of damage, but a Bomber did fly across the housing estate at an angle dropping a bomb in each street, all the bomb sites had been rebuilt by the mid 50's but to a modern style, that was very noticeable, so a couple of brand new house's in the middle of the terrace wouldn't look amiss.

 

manna

On 03/01/2024 at 20:53, manna said:

G'Day Folks

 

I lived in a long terrace of house's in north London, not a lot of damage, but a Bomber did fly across the housing estate at an angle dropping a bomb in each street, all the bomb sites had been rebuilt by the mid 50's but to a modern style, that was very noticeable, so a couple of brand new house's in the middle of the terrace wouldn't look amiss.

 

manna

I lived in a South London Street from 1948 until Summer 1956 where half our side of the road had been flattened in the War and prefabs built on the site.  When we moved to another part of London in 1956 the prefabs were still occupied.  I don't know how soon after we moved on that they were replaced by 'proper' houses.

Chris KT

The Brighton I3s were, in fact, splendid engines and the performance of Nos 23 and 26 on the 'Sunny South Express' between Rugby and Brighton in 1909 outshone LNWR saturated Precursor 'Titan' and demonstrated the benefits of superheating.  It was the I1, I2 and I4 classes which were pathetic!

Chris KT 

14 hours ago, Iain.d said:

Although I’ve not commented, I have read the last few weeks of this thread with interest, there has certainly been some thought provoking stuff, thanks.

 

I thought I’d show where I am with a few bits and pieces that I have on the go. Probably too many for me really. I have completed the build of a couple GW Siphons, an outside framed O.11 and inside framed O.62 that I finished most of the building of, over Christmas. 

 

The O.62:

 

 

The O.11:

 

 

I’m pleased how they’ve gone together. The O.11 looks dirtier that it is, well it was, as they got painted this morning; the delay was simply that we’ve recently had a run of quite warm weeks in a row. Mostly days in the high 30s and a couple in the low 40s (a couple of super big storms too) and our garage never cooled enough to allow spraying. The O.62 has a homemade coupling fitted and is now in BR crimson and the O.11 dark brown. Over the next couple of weeks I’ll finish them off.

 

The kits were done by @macgeordie, and were superb, at the time I got these two, I also purchased an LNER Thompson BZ, which I’ve just started. The kit came beautifully packed and laid out, with everything except wheels, including comprehensive instructions, images of a suggested build sequence and images of a ‘real’ vehicle.

 

 

I have done the sides (hinges, vents and droplights), the only deviation was that I drilled out the door stops and soldered in .45mm nickel silver wire, rather than press out the half-etched holes, as suggested by the instructions. As per the Siphons, the quality and crispness of the etches look like it’ll go together really well.

 

 

And I’ve also started a LBSCR Five Compartment Saloon Brake First (I think that’s the right order…) from Worsley Works. I have prepared the sides by adding the droplights, door hinges and vents. I have drilled lots of holes in the ends to add detail later. I also cut the end windows at the brake end as the kit end was lacking these. It’ll ride on the Comet Models bogies.  Next task will be to solder up the body and probably add some strengthening partitions, then fabricate a roof for it.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Iain

The Siphons are superb, Iain, a tribute to the kit maker, @macgeordie, and your building skills. 

As to the 'Continental' Brake First I think you mean SECR (rather than LBSCR)!   Though it would appear to be the SR version built in 1923/24 rather than the solitary SECR one of 1921.  I'm afraid there does seem to be an error in the etching though - on the corridor side in the First saloon the droplight should be to the right of the large light rather than being opposite its counterpart on the compartment side.

Chris KT 

3 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening Clive,

 

The best I can come up with anything similar is this.............

 

Years ago (over 20) I was demonstrating at the York Show. Who should come up for a look but the great David Jenkinson? After examining the various ex-LNER Pacifics I'd made, he turned and said 'Tony Wright would be interested in these'.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

I take it you kept shtum, Tony?

Chris KT

On 14/01/2024 at 11:07, Mallard60022 said:

Where was the spur/siding for that matey?

It came off the Midland Railway Nottingham-Lincoln line, I believe (I might be able to confirm tomorrow) beyond the Lincoln end of Newark Castle Station.

Chris KT

The one I had on pre-order from Hattons before they unexpectedly shut up shop had an ETA of this month.

Chris KT

Brilliant, John.  Have you noticed you've lost a hinge from compartment five (presumably under the join).

Having seen your C10 I'm inspired to try and find the 50ft E40 Brake Compo I started more years ago than I care to remember, and actually finish it!

Chris KT

Obviously not relevant to the (Great) Western but we still have an operating sugar factory in Newark.  And a long since the beet was delivered by train.

Chris KT  

The near one is a BR standard 12t ventilated goods van with plywood sides.  Though in shade the end would be corrugated steel with a single vent.  The far one is an SR 12t ventilated van and and seems to be the type with alternate wide/wide/narrow/narrow planked sides.

Both available (or have been) from Bachmann.

Chris KT 

Also until June 1956 Continental boat trains conveyed three classes First, Second and Third.  EMUs catered for 1st and 3rd only until then, thereafter 1st and 2nd, when 2nd was abolished and 3rd was renamed 2nd.

Chris KT

There's a photo around with an LMS Beyer Garratt, the LNER one and Big Bertha all on the same train.

Chris KT

23 hours ago, JSpencer said:

I do wonder about the EKR 100 being black. We know she was definitely black when she carried number 2.

 

However various photos taken in the 30s shown in Lawson Finch and Garret's book on the EKR all show distinction 2 tones and even possibly lining which looks more akin to other EKR locos that were painted in green rather than those we know were painted black. This is particularly evident between the tender sides and chassis.

 

The text in the same book shows that it is unsure. One though is the loco arrived in SOUTHERN lined black with EKR number and lettering. Another is that it arrived in EKR green.

According to the RCTS book, when it was sold to the EKR May 1935 it only required minor attention to the paint work so that implies it arrived in SR black re-lettered EKR and re-numbered only.  No instructions were received about what number to give it so apparently the Ashford paint shop foreman applied 100 on his own initiative to ensure no duplication occurred,

On 10/11/2023 at 12:33, JSpencer said:

Fantastic news. 

3 SECR ones for me!  Order straight in. 65 with sound (in keeping with all bluebell locos I collect), the others plain DCC. A lot to finance! But might add EKR and BR later.....

 

@rapidoandy @RapidoCorbs Noticed that none have the "above" running plate sandbox type in the 3D images (example shown below). Are they purposely missed out? Or a detail variant to come? 

 

The majority of O1s, when they were rebuilt from Os, didn't have the combined splasher/sandbox.  Of the eight which survived beyond 1951:  31048, 31064, 31065, 31258, 31370, 31425, 31430  & 31434, only 31258  and 31434 had them.

I wonder if it has occurred to Rapido that the R1 0-6-0T has the same wheelbase and wheel size (and boiler) as the O1?

Chris KT

8 hours ago, prtrainman said:

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the BR Mark 1s were based on the final Bulleid coaches.

The overall dimensions - 63ft 6in over body corners and 64ft 6in over bow ends was as Bulleid stock, as were the continuously curved sides. The layout of the BR TO and TK with both toilets at one end was 'copied' from the Bulleids as well.  But the construction details of Mark 1s, ie all steel, was completely different.   Bulleid bodies were largely traditional timber with steel sheets screwed on.

Chris KT

3 hours ago, relaxinghobby said:

 

These small 0-6-0s seemed to have been every where in the UK.

I think they were based on the the older Stroudly E1s of the London and Brighton with their round topped tanks and narrow cabs. Very modern for the 1880s

 

I picked up a small Bachmann pannier tank as a poor runner.

Not sure which version a 57xx or 64xx but it has 18mm wheels and a wheelbase of 29 + 33 mm or 4ft 6 inch wheels at 7ft 3” and 8ft 3 “ spacing small enough for my model.

It could be a LCDR T or a Hull and Barnsley shunter or a Great North o’ Scotland loco they are all of a similar size.

 

Sophia NSE I’ve seen your J72 based model it would be quiet small which suits these locos, much smaller than say a Jinty.

 

Cypherman thanks for the idea but an M7 tank body would be far too big and I already had a cut up J83 body that needed finishing. I had a brass chassis for it but never got it running.

7' 3" + 8' 3" would be a 57xx.

Chris KT

After April 1942 all repaints of locos were in black, with a few exceptions, until 1946 except for Pacifics -  green from April 1945.  But there were examples of engines which avoided repaint and retained Maunsell livery throughout the War, in some cases, to Nationalisation.  For instance M7s 58 and 129 received lined Maunsell livery in 1939 and kept it until March 1948 and October 1947 respectively. 

Chris KT

The WL&WR Nos. were:  10, 20, 22, 23, 43, 44, 47 & 48.  In the same order they became GS&WR:  263, 273, 275, 276, 290, 291, 292 & 293.  So 273 was WL&WR No. 10 (withdrawn 1909).  The GS&WR class was 263 but 263, 273, 275 & 292 were the four withdrawn pre GSR hence the GSR classification 276.  The four survivors were withdrawn:-

276 - 1949

290 - 1951

291 - 1959

293 - 1954

Chris KT 

On 28/10/2023 at 19:42, shipbadger said:

The Sandeman advert featured Orson Welles with a raised glass.  Not an advert but in the days when graffiti was rare there was a factory unit with the slogan 'Moseley was Right' painted on it.  It remained visible for years.  On the other side of the line the end of a terrace of houses advertised Brands Meat Paste.  In Devon there was a sign telling you that the train was passing the Whyteways Cider orchard.  Not sure if it was ever updated to read Coates, Gaymer, Whyteways.  The other one that sticks in the mind was the seed merchants, was it Carters?

 

Tony Comber

Yes, Carters Seeds was near Raynes Park.  They had extensive 'nurseries', presumably now housing.

I recall that when I first noticed the 'Strong' hoardings the image was an air smoothed Bullied - later they featured a rebuild.

Chris KT  

You won't find a BR green version of the crimson coach.  Hornby only did them in crimson or SR 'malachite' green as hardly any of the prototypes were painted BR green (I think six SLs and those in Push & Pull sets).  But as Hornby used the same green for SR and BR you could use an SR coach if you were prepared to scrape off the class numbers etc!

Chris KT 

On 04/08/2023 at 17:31, Mallard60022 said:

Shuntingonto the dropped Down for Seaton. The Loco and PP then propelled that BSO West and reversed onto the Branch.

To be pedantic that's a BCK (Diagram 2006)!

Chris KT

Unlike the ten C14s built as 2-2-0Ts (four were rebuilt as 0-4-0Ts), the two S14s, 101 & 147, built in 1910, were always 0-4-0Ts. 

They were sold to the Ministry of Munitions in 1917.  147 was eventually sold overseas in 1927 while 101 was noted awaiting scrapping at the Royal Ordnance Factory, Chorley in July 1951.

Chris KT

12 hours ago, Keith Turbutt said:

 

I see the discussion has moved on a bit from this thread but the gauge O Guild have made a video, available on Youtube, of David Jenkinson discussing his layout which you might find interesting.

 

In searching for this I also came across Youtube videos with Bob Symes with his 'Lineside look at Model Railways' which is also interesting with lots od familiar names appearing.

 

 

Hope you enjoy it

The gentleman on the right of David Jenkinson is the late Jack Ray, one of the original members of the Gauge 0 Guild.

Chris KT

12 hours ago, Keith Turbutt said: