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For those who cannot resist wish-listing* 🙃 Wishlist on Hornby forums: https://uk.Hornby.com/community/forum/what-do-people-hope-to-see-in-the-range-329864?ccm_paging_p=5#end-of-replies Existing TT:120 wishlist thread in rmweb: * happens to many of us, no shame in it, just try not to let it happen too often eh? 😛

I know that banning wish listing doesn't really work, but I've seen other forums do it 🙂 It's a long way from 100% effective, but eh. 🙃

Although sites like this naturally run on opinions, and we all have one, fate* has also provided us with statistics: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/householdcharacteristics/homeinternetandsocialmediausage/bulletins/internetaccesshouseholdsandindividuals/2020 *and an advanced state of civilisation

Could be any of the following (none of this is intended to be derogatory or insulting): the hobby attracts people who are non-neurotypical, i.e. somewhere on a spectrum, or at least it did when I was involved in clubs and exhibitions 25 years ago, and internet forums also attract people of that ilk, so this can easily fill internet forums up with obsessive behaviour and difficulty accepting alternative viewpoints lots of people in the hobby are quite driven by nostalgia, e.g. recreating days of steam, scenes from childhood etc, this can go hand-in-hand with not really liking change some people get stuck on brand loyalty, we see this in other places, e.g. Cat vs Deere, Mac vs. PC, Nike vs. Adidas etc, internet forums also magnify this, anything alternative feels like a bit of a threat to these people, or a criticism of their choices some people just like trolling, even if it's not intended as trolling, but just a bit of back and forth banter SK really pisses some people off add your own reason here 😛 Not really added much to the thread here, have I? Sorry.

🙂 Me! Me! It’s aimed at me! 🙂 Such serious modeller I am! (I did win 1st prize in a BRM modelling competition in 1993, but that’s ancient history) 🙃

3D printed + painted TT:120 UK road vehicles (I have no connection, just might be useful to others) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165750025688?hash=item269778add8:g:wfgAAOSwtt1jXWIm&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoBQXhXsZQ43cjbIp6Qd%2FDZWReRtd7%2B1rwFEenAJVhY8Ipg3g2q4YTN1lsGLYH%2FKukkgHM%2B6aDd8Klapbb4xnbaTtCPKuFTi9cAH5Pl9MSC7s1IrbQ7HOKcfwJgrdBzPDkhSLGOpAEeW365Cu5uoPxIwxABT27J21q9SgP%2FXnPVr44yuF4%2F584%2BALi4p4Lw%2Be2KNb%2F2%2F6djhj8Lup9eyF1Qg%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR8q5wq-FYQ

How about a bet that this thread goes to at least page 127? And that those 40 pages will add almost nothing, but just repeat the same cyclical discussion. 🔁 Including (of course) people saying 'please stop repeating'. 'Reply All' anyone? 😛 At least we have a video of some actual TT:120 from Gaydon now, thanks to the OP of that one 🙂

There are 150 pages or more of discussion about this already 🙂 On the one hand, that's a lot that you might not want to read through. I feel the same about some of it 😛 On the other hand, maybe we could avoid discussing the same TT:120 'why?' question for the 10th or 20th time? 🙂

That looks outstanding, the livery application is really attractive, and the photography really shows it off. 🙂 Obligatory TT:120 request? 🙃 No forum thread is allowed to remain free of that now (I hope you got the memo).

Colour accuracy, thorny issue, eh? 🙂 Can be illuminating to do some colour perception tests. This free one is a bit fiddly, but does the job: https://www.xrite.com/hue-test Have a go? Scores tend to range quite widely 🙂

So similar class of problem as Oxford MK3s? I'll have a look when it arrives 🙂

I just ordered a blue one and an intercity one, might be here tomorrow. I don't think I know what I'm looking for in order to comment on how accurate the liveries are, sorry 🙂 I had one previous-generation Dapol 73, which I hope found a happy home with its new owner. About half the Dapol stuff I buy goes on eBay - I'm not rivet-counting, but some Dapol stuff is just weird. 😝

https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/news/Hornby-tt-model-prototypes-examined/ Bonnet door handrails look moulded. Cabside handrails are hard to tell, but plastic is same colour, so might be moulded.

So increase 4 or so items in the nomenclature to 7 then? 😀 https://xkcd.com/927/

The Peco TT:120 launch video ends with products expected to be announced later, including RTR (presumably) wagons, alternative point radii, a crossover, and semaphore signals. 😉

I bought one of my kids a Lima 59 for £40 on ebay. It's not holding up too badly against modern stuff. Weighted it up. Stripped + re-greased the gears. Just like old times. Didn't toothpaste the gears though. 🙂

I don't want to speak for Revolution, but I think for this very reasonable question, this very reasonable answer applies:

Oh neat thanks 🙂 I had seen the locomotive engineering prototypes, but missed the wagons. 😉 That's a welded type 21t mineral, which means my initial idea of what to produce needs rethought. Fine by me 🙂 Looking at what we can see of the 21t mineral prototype, that's also pretty good value for £15. Appealing. 👍

No. And we don't know. But no. Hornby isn't just Hornby branded UK OO stuff; it's Hornby, Electrotren, Rivarossi, Arnold, Jouef, Scalextric, Corgi, Airfix Humbrol etc. Even if the current limited company got into financial distress, someone would pick over the remains and buy out the brands, tooling and intellectual property. So yellow and red boxes are very unlikely to go away. This has been asked a few times before, but eh, forums gonna forum 🙂

It's listed on the Hornby TT:120 store (screenshot below). 🙂 Assuming the image isn't just vague concept art, the intent is to use the OO tooling scaled down (the photo is probably the OO version with TT couplers photoshopped on). I have quite a few of the OO version, it's quite an unremarkable tooling, and in MDV guise, it's far from accurate as far as I can understand, but it's cheap and happy and that's why I own a rake. 😉 And at £14.50 the equivalent TT:120 version is an attractive price that will support buying enough for longer trains. I will be buying some. My suggestion of a similar-ish welded version is a deliberate choice: for people who want to do 'long trains in the landscape', it's variety, BR mineral trains did sometimes have a block appearance, but often were a varied collection of wagon designs and sizes for people who want to build a shunting plank, a wagon repair depot, a coal yard, a colliery, a scrap yard or a steel works, a wagon monoculture isn't appealing It's unknown how Hornby would react to ventures like this, but my gut feeling is it's best to go open and transparent early, and find out if Hornby are going to move against an idea, rather than trying to develop CAD and tooling in secrecy in the hope they find out too late I don't think Hornby will want to commit capital and time and marketing support to generating new SKUs that are "like a current wagon we already sell, but slightly different", there's almost no evidence of them doing this in OO we know that Hornby operate on a scorched earth basis in some areas, but I don't yet have any personal axe to grind about Hornby either; I buy their stuff when the price is right. But nor am I naive and expecting them to be new best friends with anyone entering the market ultimately Hornby will be the best judge of whether they are making an ecosystem play (rising-tide-floats-all-boats) or trying to drive all and every competitor out of UK RTR TT:120 ultimately if they drive out individuals or small groups trying to develop RTR UK TT:120, we can vote with our wallets - it's going to be a niche scale initially, there will be core early adopters who are advocates of the scale, high spenders, and interested in developing niche RTR projects - if Hornby intentionally alienate us we can exit back to OO or N and they can merrily sell trainsets 🤑 currently I've dropped a grand sterling into TT:120 pre-orders with Hornby, but until TT:120 launched, that money would have gone to Revolution, Accurascale, Cavalex, Rapido etc for OO stock, not Hornby, decisions like this are of course easily reversed (I am aware of the optics of statements like this when there's a cost of living crisis, but a lot of the spend keeping the hobby alive is driven by people who do have the disposable income that sadly not everyone currently has) TBH I don't mind a bit of a competition, and I don't have payroll to make 😉

Thanks Paul, useful as always. I have said this before, but I'll say it again - thanks for all the legwork and camper van time you put in, it's a remarkable resource you've created. I have looked before but have not spotted a way to make a donation e.g. Paypal button or Patreon or similar - do you have such a thing?

So how about if we crowd-funded a BR welded-pattern 21t MDO/MDV? I don't know the diagram numbers, but examples from Paul's site: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv Rationale relatively common, long-lived wagon, suitable for BR green and blue eras, and somewhat into Railfreight era the Hornby 21t mineral looks to be the scaled down OO model, which is an older riveted design, so it's a fair bet Hornby won't also produce the welded version. but another type of mineral wagon would complement Hornby's offering and offer variety in train formations Accurascale are unlikely to enter TT:120, so it's unlikely that their outstanding OO MDO/MDV would be scaled down relatively simple liveries, but enough variations to drive sales makes sense as single wagons or block trains potential for rebodied versions on the same chassis the 16t mineral is more common, but is likely to be swept up by a major manufacturer as it's such a perennial (although I wouldn't rule it out as a candidate) the HTV hopper would be an appealing alternative, but Hornby have the chassis for it in OO (but haven't produced the HTV yet despite producing the cut down Tope version), it's just a bit too risky IMHO Things I don't know I don't know what the market expectations are for detail; apart from Accurascale's insanely good price/value point, most OO wagon releases are currently being driven by very very detailed wagons at circa £40 RRP. This is good, but I'm as happy buying Oxford Rail tankers at rather lower price for rather less detail. I have some Roco TT:120 German stock and there is a lot of detail, but some of it is simplified, and they're £30+ each. I don't know anything useful about CAD, production, importing, distribution etc. I know a little bit about marketing and finance, and I know how to find out about things like tax and paperwork. I've also run customer service, and packing operations (on a small scale). I don't know the realistic costs of tooling and production. My assumption is that a boxy wagon is a simpler mould with lower tooling complexity. I'm also assuming that lower levels of separate detail parts reduces assembly costs. I've been out of the hobby for years and don't really know anyone in the trade, apart from @Corbs - but that's addressable. I haven't researched if the 21t mineral chassis is useful / reusable for other wagons, departmental conversions etc, even if it's "close enough" rather than identical diagram. I'm not particularly well-versed in detailed detail, diagram differences, rebuilding etc, but I've done a lot of research producing pixel art for 600+ UK wagons as game art https://grf.farm/iron-horse/2.62.0/html/trains.html#RAIL-wagons - I've got a fair understanding of BR wagon stock, and a good sense of what looks right. I have a full-time job running a company, so I wouldn't be able to make this happen solo. I'm not proposing setting up as a sole trader, this would need to be either a small group forming who know what they're doing, and legally it would need to be via limited company or in partnership with one of the existing smaller RTR manufacturers I don't know if it flies, but eh, nothing happens without starting somewhere.

This is excellent, I like WHWW stuff. 😉

I am hoping for a RevoluTTion spinoff 😉 I'm here all week. Would you believe I used to work in advertising?

Some of the trade seemed to know for some time. Multiple people have indicated that the Hornby intentions were known about for quite a long time. 😉