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A nice variety of finish on the line of minerals in the background of this photo http://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-railways/Latest-uploads-and-queries/Recent-uploads/23493000_vbhZzK#!i=1939311657&k=3jdKSXk&lb=1&s=L Paul Bartlett

But not originally when they were all to be coded MCV.I don't know when MXV was introduced - no mention of it in the 5th edition TOPS coding book of October 1978. The earliest I appear to have photographed were in early 1982. Paul Bartlett

Lifes too short to worry about such things. Please, just simply reproduce what you see, there are thousands of photos to work from.

I intended posting this yesterday but was interrupted. The Vauxhall crates are an interesting load for a mineral wagon. I think the high arc roof van is an LMS CCT http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsparcels/e1948338f I agree about the LNER Loco coal wagons, but South Wales does seem to have a number of earlier steel wagons, Dave Larkin caught a few there, as I did for example http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnermineral/h1b0896be#h1b0896be and http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnermineral/e1d1141e3 Paul Bartlett

Wow Jamie that was quick. But also quite an advert for the quality of the camera in your phone! Paul

As http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brclayliner http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/prenatclayliner http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bscotube For example http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtube/e20501f9d http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtube/e3ca67247 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtube/e270430b6 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brlnertube/e2cd35542 And your scrap carrying mineral wagons don't all have to be too down at heel http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralclaspvb/e2d2176d6 But others are in more usual mineral wagon condition http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralclaspvb/e31214589 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e1ac627a7 They also had conventional tubes http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtube/e348853ee http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtube/e3d816749 You can also have some fun and have more unusual wagons http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtrestrolao/eee106c5 This view of Dudley terminal, with the comment added by Alan Jeavons shows some interesting traffic http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/freightlinerdepot/e2e5fe6d5 Paul Bartlett

Interesting, the loco, if identified correctly, is reported elsewhere as being a Gateshead loco at that time - It was withdrawn in 30/3/1984. http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=D&id=285&loco=40085 The train is an interesting mix of air and vacuum brake. Also, I am surprised that none of the railway staff are wearing high viz vests. I know this wasn't usual for loco crew at that time, but shunters? And it gets away at a fair old lick! Paul Bartlett

I did grab a quick shot of the Starfish I don't know if this was the original, it is a Starfish at Kyle in Gulf Red, but the running number is different. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brstarfish/e1935fcc7 I spent a very enjoyable few hours operating, and am looking forward to doing it again. Paul Bartlett

This is a remarkable photograph if genuinely Jan 1965 - two of the "SNCF" minerals (the only steel minerals easily seen)5 ex Private Trader type wooden minerals and an unfitted open merchandise (which in 1965 were commonly used for coal) and more of the same mix on the row behind! There is a steel mineral over the back, but looks like it has no top door, so an early one as well! Paul Bartlett

The one I have was by Lima. It was in a cheap set I bought for my kids many many years ago! It appears to be a good representation of the livery, but is a typical RCH wooden mineral with side and end doors and steel frame, whereas the prototype is a tippler. Bright red, white stripe no. 1928. Paul Bartlett

I've changed my opinion, although they don't have the tarpulin supports that were fitted to Anhydrite hoppers (but not from new, so I don't know when that happened) http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/branhydritehopper they appear to have 4 side stanchions, not 3 plus 2 of a Salt - Iron Ore hopper. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brironorehoppersalt Paul Bartlett

Having looked at Borra photo I think it has grey on it. As does this http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralclaspvb/eed8989d a clasp braked mineral. Not much paint remains, but the area over the end door has grey paint. It should be recollected that BR used the 'other' wagon paint colour as undercoat - they used freight stock grey underneath Freight Stock Red and FSR underneat FSG. It was much later that colours such as green were being used for undercoating. Paul Bartlett PS Ingot mould with holes cut in side http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit/e616bde5

As http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brspa/e3def194a Yes, all but the prototype SPA were delivered in red. Note also the insides were painted with this livery - very unusual. Paul Bartlett

I had thought that single AFP could be worked on an ordinary Conflat A, but since looking further at the diagram not only are they longer they are also wider 8ft 3 7/8in over fender and 7ft. 10 1/2 in over body - which is too wide to fit between the baulks of the Conflat A which vary a little between diagrams but are about 7ft 4in to 7 ft. 5in. Pictures of these BE containers in trains or yards (apart from the officials) seem unusually rare. There are many 1960s train photos showing up on the web (some lovely ones on membership Yahoo group sites) and I cannot think of any I have noticed in a train. Paul Bartlett

Yes, I'm also lazy and don't understand the instructions about setting up downloads for sale. Sales are going reasonably well - I won't maintain the site if the profits don't cover the cost of purchasing the site. Paul Bartlett

Those models look very nice indeed! Some photos of the prototype in later days here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/branhydritehopper including a few that have migrated to the south Midlands (and some in Hoo Junction going for scrap). Paul Bartlett

Does anyone have evidence that Birds Eye livery appeared on the AF series of containers, or Conflat As were used for this traffic - as modelled here? The only ones I am aware of - which includes an article in Transport Age when they were introduced - were AFPs. These were 9ft. 7 7/8 in over fenders so two of them could not be put on a Conflat A which were only 17ft. 6in. over headstocks. (Diagrams on the Barrowmore site). This is why BR had to rebuild B74xxxx series Pipe wagons as Conflat Bs (and also the longer Flat ED). These containers were used to distribute finished product (not to deliver fish to the freezing plant - although Meat was brought into the factories by rail. They were distributed widely. The Transport Age article (Issue no. 18) explains that distribution is arranged with a firm called SPD which, like Birds Eye, were part of Unilever. SPD had 43 cold stores at their depots and BE also used public cold stores. Rail was used for the longer distance distribution from the Birds Eye factories. There were 5 of these - Yarmouth, Grimsby (and an associated plant at Hull), Kirkby (Liverpool) and Eastbourne. I do not know if all of these loaded BR containers. There is also a photo of a container being unloaded at a Tees-side yard in a later Transport Age. Googling Speedy prompt delivery ltd distribution throws up some useful links, and there appears to have been a book published about the company covering the period of the early 60s when these containers were in use. http://www.alibris.co.uk/booksearch?qwork=13279432 Paul Bartlett

Photos of the air piped conversions here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e2ffb3fe0 and http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e295486a2 Which reminds me I should finish off the MD- collection sometime. Paul Bartlett

Slaters kits are easy so long as you have the experience of measuring a few dozen 12 in./ft examples. Similar to many of the loco kits in 7mm; easy so long as you've done an apprenticeship at BREL. LOL Paul Bartlett

No. I was at the wrong end of the train to get a snap - just passed it as we arrived at the station, and I was going through to Sheffield. I very rarely saw loaded livestock wagons. There was a train load at Edinburgh Waverley c1962-3 with Great Northern at the head, I suspect waiting to follow us out - we were on the 14.00. The cattle were loaded across the wagons and jammed in - Dad, a professional railwayman explained this was essential to prevent them going down. My other memory is probably a similar time, at Waterloo seeing the Canadian Mounties parade in to load a train of horse boxes - they went to Windsor horse show. My main memory is seeing maroon in Waterloo, which was a very green place ! Paul Bartlett

In September 1966 BR audit listed 906 fitted and 5 unfitted cattle vans. A very difficult trade requiring local stations to have staff used to handling, watering and feeding the customers. There were entire rule book on carrying livestock, which for example has different dates for sheeting the loaded wagons during the winter dependent on what type of stock was being carried (Cattle vans were a general stock wagon - only the most expensive animals were moved in Special Cattle vans and Horse boxes) I suspect BR was very pleased to get rid of all but the big bulk moves that lasted into the early 1970s. I do remember c1965-67 seeing on Derby station a calf head sticking out of a 'mail' sack placed on a flat luggage trolley. Later, when I read the rule book, I learnt that someone had carried the calf precisely as instructed. Paul Bartlett http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcattle

Yes lovely, and you reflected my thoughts on price and what Dapol have said about 7mm being over priced. We will have to wait and see! Unfortunately none of these appear to be types that have worked to Britain - no HO/OO problems in 7mm - it would be interesting to see them up against a BR loco or other wagon! As a complete aside, I wonder why RIV permitted side opening doors on mineral wagons when they were a disaster in Britain? As to buffers, yes they do have buffer heads that move over the shank - and they are also used in the UK see http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/rhttfeaf/e27e8df68 Paul Bartlett

This collection has photographs of both the ex Horse boxes and the conversions on Plate frames - details as I know them are on the photos. http://paulbartlett....partmentalcoach Paul Bartlett PS There were also SR ones see 70185/88/90 in http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/srdepartmentalcoach

No, whatever the colour the official description was freight stock red - clever because it changed with alterations in the ingredients that were available. I have never seen a BR official document use "red oxide". FSR included bauxites, but also other ingredients in the mix. Paul Bartlett

Not much, they are one and the same MSV were iron ore/china clay tipplers, many of which were transferred to carry aggregates "Stone" http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv The code ZSV was used for the same wagons when transferred to the engineers departmental fleet http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv/e35cefe2b Paul Bartlett