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That is a lovely photo when blown up. In the foreground gives us another LMS RCH mineral number and a view of the interior, as well as a lovely 'little' load in the open merchandise. Then there appears to be two rows of tipplers in chalk traffic - a number are suitably branded but all appear to have had the same load. And behind these 4 Sand tipplers as well as lots of other interesting wagons - slope sided mineral, GWR van with a frame door.... I wonder which was scrapped first, that GWR van or the Palvan Paul Bartlett

When this topic began I disagreed with the title, however after the past year it is now an accurate question for my urban garden. Where we used to get through a tube of niger every 48 hours I have only half filled it once since August - and only caught sight of pairs of goldfinch twice in that time - they used to queue up, up to a dozen at a time. Collared doves - used to be two to four almost permanently in the garden, not seen one for months. OK we have a steady 8 - 12 sparrows, a few black birds, a few woodpigeons - admittedly there is a roost of them building up once again in the town garden opposite us. Starlings - none, feral pigeons - very occasional. Robin rare, not seen a Wren in months .... All very sad. Paul Bartlett

I wasn't suggesting these were spray painted, but the specifications were altered to permit easier spray painting. The van I referred to earlier clearly shows a green end on a PMV. I thought we had been down this route before and established when black ceased being used for the ends of NPCCS, certainly before the introduction of blue in 1965. Painting is really difficult - as you suggest hand painting continued for a long time - I saw plenty of brush strokes on stock in the 1970s and 80s. However, the instructions I have for repainting WAGON stock for June 1959 has instructions for 4 different methods of applying paint - I don't understand what any of them were. They were OB - Oleo Resin Brushing Process OS - Oleo Resin SPRAYING Process QD - Synthetic Resin Process R - Chlorinated Rubber Process. Sometimes there is no difference in the instruction, othertimes it appears a different paint was available for spraying or not. Paul Bartlett

Unlikely, the black ends was earlier before air spray painting became common practice. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/srpmv/e341aefa Paul Bartlett

Ok, I thought Dormobiles were motor caravan conversions. Paul Bartlett PS incidentally, if it has a side windows am I wrong that it is not strictly a van. Wasn't there a difference in tax payable on whether a vehicle was a van or not. When the body was like a van but had side windows then it was taxed like a car?

why I called it a Workobus was that it has side windows. In the commercial version these had a pair of long benches either side and were aimed at the market for cheap personnel transport for, as a commn example, building site workers. I believe they were all on the long wheelbase chassis. Interesting how a concept such as "dormobile" gets corrupted as in the caption. Paul Bartlett

apologies if seen before, but a nice Bedford Workabus http://www.leedsmrs.org/jpegs/Gallery/AlanSmith/HL/Healey Mills CCE dormobile 1963-4.jpg just being written by the look of it. My first vehicle was a Workabus, dreadful rust bucket incapable of going above 55mph going down hill, but wonderful fun, it was possible to get an awful lot of students in it! The sliding doors could be held open, so chatting to passing pedestrians was interesting. Paul Bartlett

If only! There are designs which seem to have gone almost totally unnoticed - I've got quite a number of photos that are from others, and Peter Fidczuk worked hard at getting the more unusual for his Modellers Backtrack articles, but there are hardly any photos at all of diag 1/101 version - mine are after years in internal use http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmowtmineral/e1c90d53f http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmowtmineral/e13aa9b14 Paul Bartlett

I was pleased to see the prototype photo. I have a couple of 7mm versions for the Parkside Plate and thought they looked a bit overloaded, but they were very like that photo. I also gave them the dimensions of the Peco 7mm Pig Iron wagon and they have added a suitable load to their range. Their products are a lot nicer to those made elsewhere whom use plaster for making load models. Paul Bartlett

I like this one, the internal user fleet of elderly wooden minerals appears to be in much better condition than the BR steel minerals. Paul Bartlett

Oops. I won't correct - I was too bothered about ensuring were weren't getting the dreaded presfloW. .. and in summer 1986 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmpresflo/ef628cb4 Paul Bartlett

Photo here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmpresflo/eb92909e Not all presflo were BR owned, APCM had two privately owned batches, 1960 introduced in yellow and 1963 in grey - and grey continued to be their livery after the name boards were removed http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmpresflo There are various photos taken in the yard at Exeter Central in my collections - and elsewhere on RMWEb there has been a recent discussion of cement silos which included a photo of EC. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e23be7eb2 EC went on being used long after the BR design Presflo were withdrawn http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/stspca/e3c288452 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmpca/e1c9d4615 You asked about singletons, yes early on there were road vehicles designed to unload direct from the Presflo. You sound as if you are interested in the earliest use of Presflo. Becareful, the early batches had oil, not roller bearing, axleboxes - part of the BR modernisation plan of 1958 was to fit roller bearing to all 35ton GLW wagons (ie with payloads of about 22tons) and the Presflos appear to have been converted early, and totally (unlike other fleets) - perhaps a reflection that the powder was affecting the oil bearings. Lots more Presflo here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=presflo Paul Bartlett PS and thanks for spelling Preflo correctly!

It will have been in internal use for many years. That link to the discussion is interesting, but it is incorrect in suggesting BR gave up with the top flap so early. Some of the wartime and immediate post war steel minerals did not have the flap door - and they were high wagons compared to many RCH wooden mineral wagons. It seems to have been the late 60s or early 70s when the top flaps began to be welded in place, and the rebodies of the 1970s lacked the top door. By then conventional hand unloading would have been rare (if not gone completely - these not very good photos were of an historical artefact http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/coalloading/e52ba4798 http://bit.ly/WQ5Tw8 http://bit.ly/Y0PXIT Incidentally a lot of steel minerals didn't make it into the 1970s http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/midlandrailway/h52befd34#h52befd34 What a waste. Paul Bartlett

Very nice, Unit models make a nice model of such a load http://www.unitmodels.com/product.php?id_product=67 Paul Bartlett

Thank you for this comment. Because, as with your example from Flicr, important information is left behind - the Flicr page gives info on place and date of photo and this is not copied, nor are any comments that others have added. You also still have to click on it and go to the Flicr site to enlarge it. I might even flog a few downloads or prints, which helps pay for the site. Nothing comes free. Paul Bartlett

Not at all certain, but I think it looks slightly like the shorter DAMO A, ASMO may have roof vents on the centre line and there is none here. At least one ASMO was in Perth in 1969 (unidentified) and one is conserved at Didcot. http://bit.ly/Xwr7xz - although it doesn't appear to have roof vents, so perhaps the original diagram is misleading. I do wonder if any of these made it as grounded bodies, they would have been useful tractor sheds! (the Mogos do appear to have been quite popular as garages). Paul Bartlett

.. and those vans, to give apoplexy to anyone whom believes there is a standard BR freight stock red (Bauxite!). Paul Bartlett

Nice line of Continental vans in the background! Paul Bartlett

... and how many did you photograph. I've tried without success so far to encourage a friend (and he is on RMWeb) to take photos of the van(s) he regularly uses. Living close to where Netto Rail keep their road fleet in York it is now very noticeable how short a working life a lot of the road vehicles have - Jarvis had a brand new fleet, where are they now? Paul Bartlett

... and that B557510 is immaculate. Too easy to forget that they were once brand new! I think it confirms that the interiors weren't painted. Paul Bartlett

Some nice 16ton minerals here http://www.britishpathe.com/video/coal-trucks including a lot of views of the loads from above. Paul Bartlett

The web page mentioned is http://www.davesrailpics.bravehost.com/lud/grain.htm Very nice. Paul Bartlett http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnergrain

Which is NER and nothing like the H&BR - Kit kat - refrigerator van. Good photos and drawing pages 18-20 of Tatlow, P. (2007) LNER Wagons, Volume 2, LNER North-Eastern Area. Wild Swan,. ISBN 978-1-895184-34-7. Although only a resemblance, the 5 pairs of torpedo vents is correct, most unusual! Paul Bartlett

I also have a collection of them at http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/br0809 The imagination in how to finish these old stagers that was permitted from the later 1980s onwards is spectacular. Paul Bartlett

I have pointed this lack out to Slaters. Because of their shock open and BR van kits etc. they have every component necessary for a kit except the sides, at least for the unfitted and Morton vacuum braked versions. I think Slaters have lost interest in 7mm wagons, not enough profit, Gauge 1 and big vans seems to be their scene now. Dapol have announced a clay open, if the photos they have used is correct, then it is a short, end door wagon and not one of these. (Admittedly other photos they used for the CCT and Fish don't appear to have been a good guide to their plans). Paul Bartlett PS the LMS did, of course, have many more than 100 corrugated ended open merchandise, but the VB ones had auxilliary suspension. I hadn't noticed that unusual D1839 with VB but without auxillliary suspension. PPS many of these wagons lasted into the 1980s usually in engineers use.