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Yes, I'm also lazy and don't understand the instructions about setting up downloads for sale. Sales are going reasonably well - I won't maintain the site if the profits don't cover the cost of purchasing the site. Paul Bartlett

Those models look very nice indeed! Some photos of the prototype in later days here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/branhydritehopper including a few that have migrated to the south Midlands (and some in Hoo Junction going for scrap). Paul Bartlett

Does anyone have evidence that Birds Eye livery appeared on the AF series of containers, or Conflat As were used for this traffic - as modelled here? The only ones I am aware of - which includes an article in Transport Age when they were introduced - were AFPs. These were 9ft. 7 7/8 in over fenders so two of them could not be put on a Conflat A which were only 17ft. 6in. over headstocks. (Diagrams on the Barrowmore site). This is why BR had to rebuild B74xxxx series Pipe wagons as Conflat Bs (and also the longer Flat ED). These containers were used to distribute finished product (not to deliver fish to the freezing plant - although Meat was brought into the factories by rail. They were distributed widely. The Transport Age article (Issue no. 18) explains that distribution is arranged with a firm called SPD which, like Birds Eye, were part of Unilever. SPD had 43 cold stores at their depots and BE also used public cold stores. Rail was used for the longer distance distribution from the Birds Eye factories. There were 5 of these - Yarmouth, Grimsby (and an associated plant at Hull), Kirkby (Liverpool) and Eastbourne. I do not know if all of these loaded BR containers. There is also a photo of a container being unloaded at a Tees-side yard in a later Transport Age. Googling Speedy prompt delivery ltd distribution throws up some useful links, and there appears to have been a book published about the company covering the period of the early 60s when these containers were in use. http://www.alibris.co.uk/booksearch?qwork=13279432 Paul Bartlett

Photos of the air piped conversions here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e2ffb3fe0 and http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e295486a2 Which reminds me I should finish off the MD- collection sometime. Paul Bartlett

Slaters kits are easy so long as you have the experience of measuring a few dozen 12 in./ft examples. Similar to many of the loco kits in 7mm; easy so long as you've done an apprenticeship at BREL. LOL Paul Bartlett

No. I was at the wrong end of the train to get a snap - just passed it as we arrived at the station, and I was going through to Sheffield. I very rarely saw loaded livestock wagons. There was a train load at Edinburgh Waverley c1962-3 with Great Northern at the head, I suspect waiting to follow us out - we were on the 14.00. The cattle were loaded across the wagons and jammed in - Dad, a professional railwayman explained this was essential to prevent them going down. My other memory is probably a similar time, at Waterloo seeing the Canadian Mounties parade in to load a train of horse boxes - they went to Windsor horse show. My main memory is seeing maroon in Waterloo, which was a very green place ! Paul Bartlett

In September 1966 BR audit listed 906 fitted and 5 unfitted cattle vans. A very difficult trade requiring local stations to have staff used to handling, watering and feeding the customers. There were entire rule book on carrying livestock, which for example has different dates for sheeting the loaded wagons during the winter dependent on what type of stock was being carried (Cattle vans were a general stock wagon - only the most expensive animals were moved in Special Cattle vans and Horse boxes) I suspect BR was very pleased to get rid of all but the big bulk moves that lasted into the early 1970s. I do remember c1965-67 seeing on Derby station a calf head sticking out of a 'mail' sack placed on a flat luggage trolley. Later, when I read the rule book, I learnt that someone had carried the calf precisely as instructed. Paul Bartlett http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcattle

Yes lovely, and you reflected my thoughts on price and what Dapol have said about 7mm being over priced. We will have to wait and see! Unfortunately none of these appear to be types that have worked to Britain - no HO/OO problems in 7mm - it would be interesting to see them up against a BR loco or other wagon! As a complete aside, I wonder why RIV permitted side opening doors on mineral wagons when they were a disaster in Britain? As to buffers, yes they do have buffer heads that move over the shank - and they are also used in the UK see http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/rhttfeaf/e27e8df68 Paul Bartlett

This collection has photographs of both the ex Horse boxes and the conversions on Plate frames - details as I know them are on the photos. http://paulbartlett....partmentalcoach Paul Bartlett PS There were also SR ones see 70185/88/90 in http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/srdepartmentalcoach

No, whatever the colour the official description was freight stock red - clever because it changed with alterations in the ingredients that were available. I have never seen a BR official document use "red oxide". FSR included bauxites, but also other ingredients in the mix. Paul Bartlett

Not much, they are one and the same MSV were iron ore/china clay tipplers, many of which were transferred to carry aggregates "Stone" http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv The code ZSV was used for the same wagons when transferred to the engineers departmental fleet http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv/e35cefe2b Paul Bartlett

Ramp wagon photos http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/modaramp MODA flats http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/modawarflatpfb Paul Bartlett

I've kept away from this topic, but Specially constructed wagons are my specialism so. I have never managed to find anything which is the same as the Tri-ang short Weltrol. It seems to be based on LMS principles, but I have the full diagram book and there is nothing in there which has the same dimensions. However, there was an interesting internal conversion at BSC Stanton see http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmspecial/e1a425fa2 (and a couple more photos alongside) which had the remains of the LMS BTZ code but it has been reduced in length by removal of part of the well. It ends up probably shorter than the Tri-ang one. Paul Bartlett PS the Cyclops is here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cyclopsresearch but the discussion of the Trestrol is just confusing this thread.

This is the prototype. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmedfitsteel Paul Bartlett

Isn't this the Presflo used for Delabole - labelled as DELAFILA http://PaulBartlett....oslate/e4279117 ? I wouldn't criticise the use of LSWR too much, BR "Return to" brandings frequently referred to the pre-Grouping names of railways. Very useful when there were two (or more) Companies serving the same town. Paul Bartlett

That's OK, there are many detail photographs on my site, try looking at the collections in here http://paulbartlett....ils?customize=2 if you are looking for something in particular. Paul Bartlett

This looks very nice, BUT sorry, you have correctly put independent brakes on this - with paired V hangers. Unfortunately these are NOT connected across the wagon - they are independent. This is true right the way through to the earlier BR mineral wagons, and virtually all Private Trader mineral wagons. This photograph - with the straight narrow V hangers of earlier wagons should show how the back of the V hanger has nothing more than the heavy gauge wire which prevents the brake push rods falling on the track if they break away from the V hangers. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/smbp444/e19f18d55 Paul Bartlett

The rebodying programme lasted along time - until 1979 at least http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralclaspvb/e2c5a6886 There are plenty in my collections, including rebodied unfitted minerals http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/efe7fab4 Note that an important difference to the originals is that the bottom of body curves into the floor, instead of ending in a sharp corner. Some of the longer 10ft wb ones with a 17ft 6 in body are here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mineralmcv10ft - the prototype following the models of that period, which had used longer underframes for many years! Paul Bartlett

Here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brhba/e9446741 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brhba/e1df64701 Paul Bartlett

Dear all Lackenby Steel works Some of you may be interested in the considerable additions I have made to the collection of photographs I have posted taken at Lackenby in July 1989 see http://paulbartlett....com/bsclackenby Not many locos! Paul Bartlett

apologies, wrong subject

I have some photos of these - the relatively rare SR milk tank http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/srmilk/e1c6c48e3 ex W2021 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrbrmilktanks/e39b58663 and B3192 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrbrmilktanks/e3c1f5ef8 which is conserved on the NYMR. There was also a LMS origin tank used at STJ. Paul Bartlett

That is nice! The very first photo, shows what I consider to be quite a rare milk tank - one of the LNER ones E70357. Personally I only ever caught one of these http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnermilktank and it, and the frame, both have split axleboxes whereas 70357 has the LNER slope fronted ones. According to Tatlow, Peter (2000) Historic Carriage drawings Volume three: Non-passenger coaching stock. Publ. Pendragon Partnership, York, UK. ISBN 1 899816 09 7 128 pages. on pages 114-115 this was the first of a batch from 1934 allocated to U,D. (W) although he was unsure whether this meant United Dairies Wales or West. Interestingly Tatlow has this vehicle as originally number 4315 (and he has a photo), and the tank is number 415 - perhaps there was an association between frame and tank numbering? Paul Bartlett

Brian Yes, ABS do the LNER clasp UF open, only the second 7mm model I made. Regards Paul Bartlett

Brian You are very lucky, I hadn't looked at this for 322 mailings. I have the low quality scans of these which used to be on Fotopic and hadn't reloaded them - overlooked so see http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ohb If you have made other requests in the past few months please let me know. Sorry must go, the Parrots are telling me it is 00.00, their time keeping for bedtime is exemplary. Paul Bartlett