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Hundreds on my zenfolio site - http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan As others have said none were built for the engineers, so all were later transfers. Paul Bartlett

Dear Anonymous I would be interested to know if you have found these photographs of any use. You have no name or contact details on your profile. I was only attempting to be helpful. Paul Bartlett

A few photographs from the later 1980s are in this collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtpo Paul Bartlett

Dear Anonymous Here we go, a selection of photographs from the period you are interested in (and earlier). http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bispaa and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/class31 Paul Bartlett

Mark Yes like me, not been near the top of my scanning list either. The concept that "not easily found on the internet" equals "These must be the least photographed wagons ever" is well - annoying or just amusing? I know of people who have visited Middleton Towers, and there will be multiple photos of these - I didn't do them so well, so only have a couple of dozen. What is not realised is that before digital photography, photography was expensive and also it takes time to scan and label each individual pre digital photograph, and major collections are not being released as anything other than books. Paul Bartlett

The coach is a conversion for use in break down trains, there were a number of similar conversions, from LNER coaches, such as http://paulbartlett....48fc9#h2a048fc9 Interesting series of photographs. Paul Bartlett

The few photographs I took of these after 1987 (1990, 1992) show them being repainted into plain white without any special branding. I saw the WBB repaints many times as I passed up and down the ECML but never managed to photograph them. But these came later. Paul Bartlett

Looks good to me. Those photos from Tim Horn are earlier, and appear to be as the originals I linked to. His other link is later and the design has altered. Paul Bartlett

Mick Well spotted. Does this mean there are three different designs operating now or were the early ones I photographed rebuilt? What was the number range of the design that Dapol have modelled? I'm just glad I don't model these new fangled gizmos

Jeremy But, what is the length of this body? All Gunpowder were 16ft. 6in. over headstocks (or less for early ones) Until the final BR batch they were also on 9ft. wheelbase (Not Dapols 9ft 6in - although they may well be being honest!). The final BR ones were on a clasp brake underframe with 10ft wheelbase - but the length did not increase http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=Gunpowder Paul Bartlett

I agree that this batch - 2868 appear to be roller bearing with side web spindle buffers. They are in http://paulbartlett....m/brbrakevan506 The ones I have are consistently lacking brake pipes and are unfitted. Several, such as http://PaulBartlett....an506/e3a66ade5 show that there was a V hanger for a brake cylinder. Many are also in freight stock red - perhaps too many to have been unfitted and repainted in the period after c1965 when there was only one colour for BR wagons. We should also recollect that BR was building wagons - such as some minerals and tipplers - with the internal V hangers for brake cylinders, but without vacuum cylinders or other rigging. Some of the tipplers were retrospectively Vacuum braked later in their lives. Paul Bartlett

The Gunpowder photographs are in several collections, as pre-Nationalisation ones survived for a long time. This should work to find 4 collections, http://paulbartlett....om/?q=Gunpowder (if not use the search function for Gunpowder). I looks like the odd LNER one got lost in the Fotopic debacle! The Vacuum braked ones lasted until 1983, I remember seeing an LMS one in the M28xxxx number series about 1980 - so quite old! Tywyn was a good place to see them, there were about 5 in the train I photographed (badly) in 1970. They are useful vehicles as individual vans turned up anywhere that there was blasting/mining - so Truro and Aberdare had some when I passed through. As mentioned long wheel base Air braked vans replaced a lot of them - stick on Diamonds and gas masks indicate this use. However, the main replacements were VEA because many MoD sites could not cope with the long wb vans. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/vea I had a chat with a railway person at Bridgwater about the care that had to be taken to clean out these vans, checking for any raised nails etc. Bridgwater was a remarkable small yard, with munitions, nuclear flasks and unusual ferry chemical tanks (for Courtaulds - British Cellophane) right in the town! Paul Bartlett

Thanks you, that is amazing (but seems to be the same as another person reported). - I make that 39 hours from notification to me of your order (20.30 Wednesday)... Paul

Merf Thanks for the comment. I would be interested to know how quickly they get delivered, I had one person comment back that it took less than 48 hours! Paul Bartlett

I have posted photographs of MRA when brand new at York as a collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mra Paul Bartlett

Photograph of it here http://PaulBartlett....alrail/eb495180 Another, older design, here from Brierley Hill http://PaulBartlett....lrail/e38107a28 Paul Bartlett

I have added a few photographs of road vehicles, and related as a new collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/road The discussion on NCL is related as they show a variety of trailers in use at the Peterborough freight depot which was used by NCL. Paul Bartlett PS - Many of you know far more than me about these vehicles, I would be pleased to see public comments added to appropriate photographs.

Frank It would be interesting to know more about this, At least one of lot 3012 had an early round based Dowty buffer http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan506/e27c43b6c Is there mention of these in Gent E (1999) British Railways Brake vans and ballast ploughs. Pub. By HMRS 92pp. ISBN 0 – 902835 – 16 –5. ? Paul Bartlett

Thanks very much, I still don't understand why I couldn't find it - I did try a number of routes. Very nice photograph, far better than usually appear on these trade sites. Very early, as built livery. The regional allocation marking doesn't seem to have lasted too long. So roller bearings Wrong! The one mentioned on Modelfair site as DB954032 Prototype here http://PaulBartlett....an506/e2d4ccaa4 the body has been extensively rebuilt and the model has plain bearings - Wrong! It looks like Hornby have done two underframes and then mixed them up! Swopping over might work - but they are from very different eras, so shouldn't be used together in the finishes given. They also appear to have used a lot of my photos in the past, I've never had any contact with them, so don't blame me for their co%k ups Paul Bartlett

I am rather reluctant to help, as there is kit for the Turbot already available, and it seems a shame that everyone is having a go at Cambrian. Drawings of Turbot in Bartlett, Paul W. & Mann, Trevor., (1985) Non - hoppered Steel Ballast Wagons. Part 4 The Plaice and Turbot. Model Railway Constructor vol. 52 (part 615) pp 418 - 422 & 444 - 445. Drawings - Plaice diag. ZC511A : Turbot diag. YC502A Photographs http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brturbot including details. Drawings of Bogie Bolster E is in Bartlett, P., Larkin, D., Mann, T., Silsbury, R., and Ward, A. (1985) An illustrated history of BR wagons, Volume 1 published by Oxford Publishing Company, 192 pages. Also, including a few of the coils in Silsbury, Roger & Mann, Trevor., (1983) The 30 ton Bogie Bolster E. Model Railway Constructor vol. 50 (part 587) pp 165 - 169. Drawings - Bogie bolster E diag. 1/479 ; Uncoded Coil rebuild ; Bogie coil P ; Bogie coil P with ex BEV bolsters . Photographs BBE http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbbe Coil R http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoilrCoil P http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoilpjpv Paul Bartlett

It is a pity no one has given a link to the Rails picture because I couldn't find it last night. No, these diagram 504s were vacuum piped see http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan504. Therefore freight stock red when new. Paul Bartlett

Thank you. I don't know how many museums and conservation sites there are in the UK, but it runs into many hundreds so it is unlikely many of us will be familiar with more than a few of them. Paul Bartlett (who belongs to the EGRM "Ebor" Group of Railway Modellers. Which meant it took me years to realise that there was model railway club at the bottom of the road - in York! )

What a strange response! The LNER did not modernise its grains - they only had wooden bodied wagons, despite having the steel bodied alumina covhop. Before posting more, perhaps explaining the acronym KFRPS would be friendly. Paul Bartlett

No, sorry they are LMS design vans. These were some of the photographs I hadn't put back from fotopic - but have now done so. These were the early LMS design http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsgrain/e30d38eeb and http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsgrain/e3dd452ae The last batch of LMS vans were different and led to the design used by BR for more than a decade http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsgrain/e365ecd6d The steel GWR vans were very rare but I did capture one on a very mucky day http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrgrain/e29e929ef . Although similar there are marked differences to the LMS vans. Paul Bartlett