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Foss Islands, York April 1980 https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=fosse Paul

That was a SMBP tank! http://www.ws.rhrp.org.uk/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=9629 next we'll have some manufacturer copying it! Paul

A Pied Butcherbird feeding a large offspring in a Brisbane Park a month ago. Paul

I linked to the official that shows the wagon - Tube conversion. Paul

CA 27ft container https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/speedfreight/e68e4cf20 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/speedfreight/e67e0ad67 Paul

Although rather tired the two logo Shell BP livery could survive a long time. Such as on this TTB in 1988 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/p125474082/e7c1d3b85 Despite the TOPS code I doubt it still has a vacuum pipe. Or this in 1989 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/p125474082/e74f2eb6f Paul

The three CEGB https://www.accurascale.com/collections/br-16t-mineral/products/br-16t-mineral-mco-cegb-kearsley-yellow-pack-s are familiar https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internaluser/e116afc1b https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internaluser/e12c396e2 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internaluser/e8cb5f4d They are interesting with their early design of Dowty buffer (IRC introduced c1956) but independent double V hanger brake rigging and no top door. I don't know the origin of these wagons, perhaps new for the CEGB? Paul

Those numbers are all familiar - although my photo of 690 is later than yours https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/icibulksoda There must be more photos of these but Tower models also copied the same three in 7mm, although never acknowledged which is standard for Tower. I remember them (vaguely) very neat as we raced past on the Lime Street to Euston express in my student days of the very early 1970s. Paul

Class 69 are being used on the Doncaster to Tyne engineers train that, with luck, stops in York station for a few minutes at c 13.40 every day. Todays train More photos and details https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/class69 Paul

There is a typo it is 700728 - and this is as it appeared when fairly newly received by the NRM https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmspecial/e368fd48d Paul PS I don't appear to have photographed the van - despite it being 10 minutes walk from my backdoor if it is in York. 🙁

Pugsley - thank you for the photos of both sides. Confirms my fears from the Hattons site where it is possible to do a 360 deg. view. Both appear to be a Chas Roberts brake rigging. But they have produced the same side on both sides of each model. Instead one side should have the appearance of type 1 with a single V hanger and the other side should be as type 2 with two V hangers - and for both various other details as well. What a mistake! It is the bodies which are the major difference - a single end ladder or paired end ladders and some of the prototypes modelled do have these differences, such as the Gulf with the single ladder https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/gulftta Paul

These https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/aceticethanoltank and https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/stschemicaltua Paul

Too late for early 1950s. Presflo Introduced as an experiment in 1954 with them beginning to be built then - but with plain axleboxes not the roller bearings of the Airfix - Dapol - Kitmaster kit. The Bachmann LNER steel open merchandise with vac brake would be suitable - they were introduced for the vac braked trains the LNER marketed after the war. Paul

Good comments. Few of my photos show the boxed style of lettering even in those surviving into the 1980s (remembering 550 had been taken for the VEA programme) https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brvanwide Paul

Thanks for the link to the wagon they measured. I am a bit at a loss to follow this discussion. You are indicating that the wagon is wrong for an ESSO 56xxx series wagon. Well yes, they were built by three different companies, with different brake riggings and vacuum braked. Air braking of these came in the 1980s - so say 20 years after use. The model appears, correctly, to have the brake rigging of the later SMBP, air braked, wagon that you suggest they have copied 67246. The brake rigging differs noticeably to all three ESSO 56xxx wagons. Did they get the walkway wrong? These differ a lot. Yes, I'll accept that the 56xxx all appear to have similar walkways and arrangement of fillers and valves and that there are small differences to the model - and they have modelled the single central end ladder which is distinctive different to SMBP - SUKO67246 (having the more typical double ladders) so did they scan another body? The walkways do appear to be correct for the later 67246 type - the photos of the BPO Green and SUKO stripe models at Warley show the walkway appears to be similar to as they have modelled for the 56xxx. Your link doesn't show any of the later two ladder type from above, but my photos - admittedly from the side - do show that the cross walkway is at the extreme end beyond both filler and valves https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/suko658xxxtta/e6662d294 This model may be more correct for some of these later SMBP tanks - but it will only be correct for PD original air brake builds. It is inevitable that a company will use these models generically as mentioned earlier. It is interesting that they have done two bodies, but have they done two frames? There is a reason why the BR Diagram book for TTs is nearly a book on its own! Each manufacturer and each company purchasing wagons seems to have wanted something different - and that is without the complication that BR changed its mind about vacuum or air brakes during the production of these 45t GLW wagons and that both suspension and brakes were altered in the 1980s - and not at the same time. Lets get some decent detail photos of the models before discussing more. Paul

Has anyone identified which wagon manufacturer and brake rigging these have? Is there more than one design being modelled? Tower mention drawing A1 and A2, do we know what the differences are. Although several of these wagons appear to be based on photos from my website because they are generic I have not been involved with this project - some of the finishes are suited to vacuum braked wagons; air braking of many of these wagons was a 1980s rebuild. Paul

Naughty Mark 😇 expecting someone to search all of that - and 2010 is a bit modern for me. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/bpo37xxx/e76b14a5c Paul

I don't know about the walkways etc, don't look too bad to me. But what manufacturer of frame/brake rigging have they copied? It doesn't look, from the general photo above, like any of the distinctive three designs used by ESSO which became the 56xxx Series. possibly closest is Chas Roberts - rather like a LNER VB brake rigging https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essochasrobertsa The others are https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essopowellduffryna and https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essopickeringa Don't overlook that many of these 45T GLW tanks were originally vac braked - including all these ESSO tanks, so it is more than simple Bruninghaus suspension that altered their appearance during the 1980s. Paul

Another Diag N19 written for BR but appears to have retained GWR dark grey body https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrmineral/e11ecc336 Paul

The small logo is a later style, as in this recently painted version in 1989 (only one number away from the Hornby version so photo likely to have been an influence) https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essopickeringa/e4beb899a The original paint job (no TOPS etc of course) had a larger ESSO https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essopickeringa/e4bebcd30 Paul

The original photo is very nice, not often seen as loaded wagons. My photos have been mentioned earlier, but ignored! Includes a couple of the internal users at ASW. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoilz There is a scale drawing in BR Wagons Bartlett et al Fig 44. A complex measuring job that took 4 of us to do. Paul

I believe this is Sundon Cement works.https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/midlandrailway/e51af4802 And yes, never heard of Chalton Paul

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https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsvan/e14ca734a Paul

I would love to see references to them; Paul