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Good comments. Few of my photos show the boxed style of lettering even in those surviving into the 1980s (remembering 550 had been taken for the VEA programme) https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brvanwide Paul

Thanks for the link to the wagon they measured. I am a bit at a loss to follow this discussion. You are indicating that the wagon is wrong for an ESSO 56xxx series wagon. Well yes, they were built by three different companies, with different brake riggings and vacuum braked. Air braking of these came in the 1980s - so say 20 years after use. The model appears, correctly, to have the brake rigging of the later SMBP, air braked, wagon that you suggest they have copied 67246. The brake rigging differs noticeably to all three ESSO 56xxx wagons. Did they get the walkway wrong? These differ a lot. Yes, I'll accept that the 56xxx all appear to have similar walkways and arrangement of fillers and valves and that there are small differences to the model - and they have modelled the single central end ladder which is distinctive different to SMBP - SUKO67246 (having the more typical double ladders) so did they scan another body? The walkways do appear to be correct for the later 67246 type - the photos of the BPO Green and SUKO stripe models at Warley show the walkway appears to be similar to as they have modelled for the 56xxx. Your link doesn't show any of the later two ladder type from above, but my photos - admittedly from the side - do show that the cross walkway is at the extreme end beyond both filler and valves https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/suko658xxxtta/e6662d294 This model may be more correct for some of these later SMBP tanks - but it will only be correct for PD original air brake builds. It is inevitable that a company will use these models generically as mentioned earlier. It is interesting that they have done two bodies, but have they done two frames? There is a reason why the BR Diagram book for TTs is nearly a book on its own! Each manufacturer and each company purchasing wagons seems to have wanted something different - and that is without the complication that BR changed its mind about vacuum or air brakes during the production of these 45t GLW wagons and that both suspension and brakes were altered in the 1980s - and not at the same time. Lets get some decent detail photos of the models before discussing more. Paul

Has anyone identified which wagon manufacturer and brake rigging these have? Is there more than one design being modelled? Tower mention drawing A1 and A2, do we know what the differences are. Although several of these wagons appear to be based on photos from my website because they are generic I have not been involved with this project - some of the finishes are suited to vacuum braked wagons; air braking of many of these wagons was a 1980s rebuild. Paul

Naughty Mark 😇 expecting someone to search all of that - and 2010 is a bit modern for me. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/bpo37xxx/e76b14a5c Paul

I don't know about the walkways etc, don't look too bad to me. But what manufacturer of frame/brake rigging have they copied? It doesn't look, from the general photo above, like any of the distinctive three designs used by ESSO which became the 56xxx Series. possibly closest is Chas Roberts - rather like a LNER VB brake rigging https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essochasrobertsa The others are https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essopowellduffryna and https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essopickeringa Don't overlook that many of these 45T GLW tanks were originally vac braked - including all these ESSO tanks, so it is more than simple Bruninghaus suspension that altered their appearance during the 1980s. Paul

Another Diag N19 written for BR but appears to have retained GWR dark grey body https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrmineral/e11ecc336 Paul

The small logo is a later style, as in this recently painted version in 1989 (only one number away from the Hornby version so photo likely to have been an influence) https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essopickeringa/e4beb899a The original paint job (no TOPS etc of course) had a larger ESSO https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essopickeringa/e4bebcd30 Paul

The original photo is very nice, not often seen as loaded wagons. My photos have been mentioned earlier, but ignored! Includes a couple of the internal users at ASW. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoilz There is a scale drawing in BR Wagons Bartlett et al Fig 44. A complex measuring job that took 4 of us to do. Paul

I believe this is Sundon Cement works.https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/midlandrailway/e51af4802 And yes, never heard of Chalton Paul

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https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsvan/e14ca734a Paul

I would love to see references to them; Paul

DB980002 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/seacow/e23bab886 Paul

Non of the BR painting instructions I have mention the painting of the inside of anything. There is little evidence of wagons being painted on the inside before the Railfreight bright red ones SPA and OCA which were a gloss black, many years later. Why would these wagons have a new body? Wrought iron was very durable and unlikely to have been replaced - GWR wrought iron Crocodiles lasted for a 100 years. Paul

But it is the correct ladder provision for 6105 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essopickeringa/e4bebcd30 BPO67765 (not PBO!) https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/bpo67xxxpickeringtta/e722cae4e I cannot read the number on the Procor Total TTA similar to https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brttanks/e343b2e5e Paul

Not true now and I doubt true then. BR gave up with any idea of regular repainting and there are plenty of privately owned wagons now which haven't been touched in 25 or more years. Look at the excellent reproduction Cavalex did of the Standard wagon TEA for Total. Total logo is still discernible on them 35 years after leaving the works. Paul

Sorry I don't know how to alter this, as I'm authorised and it works for me. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/grimethorpetippler Paul Zenfolio Outage New incident: InvestigatingOne of our providers has an outage that is impacting all services on both Zenfolio platforms. We will keep you updated as soon as we get more information from our provider. Thank your for your patience in this matter. Time posted Oct 30, 13:14 PDT

A Cowans Sheldon WW2 crane, such as these - some will have been used in a similar way https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cowanshandcrane Paul

The three wagons are stand open merchandise - an LNER design steel and a couple of wooden ones. Models available in all scales, some nice some poor. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/bropenmerchandiseowvcorrugated/e1900610e https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ohb/e1387858 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ohb/e9fdf51b MEDFIT https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmedfitsteel/e32236670 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lms3plankopen/e39e2645a Nice conversion of a PIPE https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpipe/e21dac7aa PAUL

or the wagons move through by gravity and no locos go near the tippler https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/grimethorpetippler Paul

The building remains, but altered to a trendy up market (read as expensive) restaurant called Roots with a taster menu. High-end restaurant offering a seasonal farm-to-table tasting menu in an 1800s building. Agreed, loss of a nice pub. Paul

When? [Although I'm not sure what the WHL is] Paul https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/broaa

153311 passed through York station on 12 October 2023 https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/nrviu1 Sightings of all three are sometimes recorded on https://www.departmentals.com/ Paul

... and clearly says that I was mistaken that they were for Iron ore. With a payload of 16tons they were for coal as has been said. I just wish I had taken a few more of them, all of those have been copied by Bachmann. Paul