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The first clip at Barnetby shows three 37s hauling a single Cargowagon. There's no explaining information, so it could be a very short and overpowered enterprise/trip working or just an odd movement because its three out-of-place locomotives (from the roster due to a loco failure) taking an out-of-place wagon (for a similar reason to the locomotives) from Immingham to Thornaby/Tees Yard or Tinsley or some other similar location. I'm speculating as to the reason. Looking at the posts in this thread it would seem that single locos hauling single wagons is more common than might have been otherwise thought (unless it just seems like that because of focus/selection bias).

I also repeated Goldeneye from the same page. Whoops. Anyway, thanks for letting me know about the search function. I did read over all the pages and posts. I'm probably not the only one to have made that mistake of repeating a film or tv series... I also realised, after I made the post, I could have mentioned: The Simpsons South Park I'd be surprised if Michael Palin's Around the World in Eighty Days or Pole to Pole also didn't have a train at some point. As well as the Michael Portillo 'Great Railway Journeys' series. There will be others that come to mind as well.

Someone had already mentioned From Russia With Love... I had also mentioned that I was doing it from memory. Nor did the original post say "...only from the most obscure Art House film..." I was surprised no-one had mentioned a few of the films I mentioned especially Brief Encounter or Thomas the Tank Engine.

Having seen it, I remember. I remember there's a station scene or two as well.

When you say Richard III I presume you mean the Ian McKellen version when he mounts a dysfunctional motorcycle and sidecar exclaiming the classic line "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse"? Great call on that one.

There are so many. A Hard Day's Night The Ballad of John Axon (radio) Born and Bred Brief Encounter Casino Royale Educating Rita Enemy at the Gates Goodnight Mr Tom Goldeneye The Good Wife Heartbeat Jonathan Creek Live and Let Die The Looming Tower Mad Men Midsomer Murders The Navigators Sliding Doors Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends Trainspotting There are lots of others, but I can't remember the names of the films/shows or can't remember if the films/shows had a railway scene in them... If people want to diverge in to adverts and music videos, there is the Lloyds advert.

I thought this was an example of the new East Midland Train units on an off-peak service...

I've only watched little of this (pausing to post, so there might be other rarities), but I thought the second clip was a rare sight to behold. Most service trains on the North-Wales line were DMUs or a 37 on five/six mk1/2 coaches from/to Manchester or HSTs from/to Euston, but even for (what I imagine to be) an excursion I would imagine double-headed class 60s would be rare especially on just eight coaches. Apologies if someone has already posted this or something else from the video.

Nice photo.

This story gives me a smile!

Definitions are always good as then we know where we stand, but I have tried to be reasonable (by explaining my reasoning and admitting that I'm basing this on experience rather than knowledge). There are lots of others I could have mentioned, like Barmouth Estuary on the Cambrian Coast line, but I decided to give others a chance to contribute their local knowledge and/or subject internet. There are problems of a location becoming a classic - classic location because it's a good photo/video (perhaps where the engine is working, perhaps where there is reference to a general or railway past, perhaps a unique location, perhaps for traction type) spot or because of a widely written topic or because 'everyone' goes there. An 'old' classic might also be different to a 'modern' classic, too (say like the difference between Tallis and Elgar). Not excluding a classic in the UK and a classic somewhere else. Classic might just be too narrow to give most people an opportunity to share their photos or too subjective to be meaningful.

Its always good to see a C47!

I've seen @Bomag has mentioned a couple, so I won't repeat... I'm also going to stick to main line locations asI just refer to locations on preserved as the line of interest sticks in my head rather than a specific 'classic' location, but if anyone wants to know I'm mostly familiar with the East Lancs Railway. Settle and Carlisle line: Settle Junc Settle Helwith Bridge The climb to Ais Gill... (I don't know the precise location, but there are scores of photographs and videos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sQobCcbx_E) Birkett Common Kirkby Stephen West Coast Main Line (and other associated lines): Conway Castle Conway railway station (only on a westbound trip due to looking back towards the town's medieval walls) River Weaver Winwick Junction Warrnigton (Manchester Ship Canal bridges) and the two bridges close to Arpley Boar's Head Coppull Brock Grayrigg The climb to Shap (Shap Wells, near the Northbound Tebay services on the M6 - my Mum, sometimes with my Nana, always stopped here for lunch when she took me to University)... Some other places: Frodsham (at the Manchester Ship Canal bridges) The junction east of Disley, Chinley, The Hope Valley (pretty much anywhere, but around Edale and Hope especially - The Times used one of my photos of a Pacer passing Edale signal box and some French website, I think, used a photograph of mine from somewhere around Chinley). There's a good location from the road if the steam engine is climbing out of the Hope Valley, when the line climbs North and West, away from Sheffield) and Peak Forrest (and the freight only line when it curves in Chapel-en-le-Frith to go beneath Chapel-en-le-Frith station). Also, various places, like the viaducts in Buxton town centre, on the Hazel Grove to Buxton line. The reverse curves between Clitheroe and Blackburn, just after a viaduct when the train is going south (I can't remember the precise name of the place, but I can find out). My Godfather records trains and he's got an amusing clip when all you can hear is the clicking of people's cameras (yes, even the sound of the steam engine is drowned out!). I can't remember where that was, but again I can find out. All of the spots above are places I've gone to with my Dad photographing steam - it could be that there were lots of photographers were chasing the same train rather than these being especially 'classic' locations. There have been other places, but I can't remember them all. I'll let you know if when I remember them. There are also places I can describe better than I can name (like a couple of places on Anglesey)... A place I can recommend is Abingdon (my Mum, again sometimes with my Nana, also stopped here for an afternoon tea break when she took me to University)...

I thought pretty much the same... I had to rewind a couple of times before I saw the lead car. Then came the Class 60 which was in the background hauling two (failed?) 37s with a wagon load of 37(?) PGAs(?) - no wonder 60s are still used.

10 minutes 5secs to 11 minutes 27secs...

This video might provide inspiration even if Lincolnshire is the very East of the East Midlands during the early 1990s to privatisation...

Thanks for the tips. I'm still on the building and its not going all that well. Anyway, I'm going to carry on because if nothing else the practice will be good for the next one and the one after that and so on.

Changes I've made: Created a new junction with a crossing from the in line to the siding (assuming; inner = anti-clockwise, outer = clockwise)... Created a headshunt (to the right of the siding entrance) from which wagons can be transferred from the reception siding to the load/unload siding (and back again)... Created a store line (the yellow piece) on which a train locomotive can be stored awaiting departure with its next turn... If you put a metaphorical mirror at the end of the curves, the oval is completed and another sidings is created. The plan is getting quite complicated in terms of wiring, even without any signalling and point motors. I find all that electronic stuff 'intimidating'/worrisome for reasons I've mentioned in the kit building section. I'm actually tempted to get hand levers for the sidings with a figure on the lever that I could use and use point motors on the main line (as if controlled from a signal box). I could take out the red siding altogether and the headshunt (I've seen a photo of a coal train being loaded by a JCB on a single line siding). An available locomotive waiting on the yellow track (I don't know what else to call it) then backs on to the train and takes it away. Once the train has left the locomotive that arrived with the inbound train then goes to the yellow track awaiting its next turn on the next outbound train... I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but looking at the plan I was thinking this side could be a very gentle gradient coming away from the dock and a gentle gradient back towards the dock...

You might be right as regards to wrong line working… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bpcova56Kk shows that I got Brocklesby Junction ‘wrong’ and had assumed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cthRoU8AXEk was ‘how it had always been’. That just shows I should have done the research more thoroughly. Right now I can’t really deal with another junction or changing any of the junction layouts, but let have a tinker - I’ve thought of a three-way point might help - the track plan as is won’t allow for a ladder crossing which is the most obvious way of sorting things.

Thanks for these. Enjoyable and interesting. I found the first video especially useful. I know I'm prone to what's known as 'hyperreality' as well as (sometimes) misinterpreting what people have typed. Thanks for sharing.

I'd forgotten about Boston, Lincs...

Okay, so yesterday I was able to sort out my garage’s door lock problem. I was then able to measure up inside rather than estimating and its 17x6. Granted I might have not measured accurately, so let me just say 15x6 with a bit of length to spare. I’m fine with 15x6 - a little narrower than I might have wanted, but longer than I originally thought (I mentioned originally it would be 12x6). Ideally _x8 would have been the best - breaking curves and make the railway more rectangular. That said, it’s not an option and I’ll have to make he best with what I have. Also, the narrowness forces me to choose what I really want rather than having ‘everything’. Still, I’ve now got a layout plan which seems to work which involves something of which I intended. I’ve had to make a few compromises, but we all have to do that at some point. Regardless, I always knew I had to scale down my exact wishes to something workable if I was ever going to make the idea real. The depot is more like a stabling point. When I was sorting through ideas for the stabling point (the yellow section) I originally intended the junction to go to the left of the crossover. I felt this would have conflicted too much with a station on that side of the layout. I got the idea for the (reformed) stabling point from Laura of UK Diesel and Electric Modelling. She said that at Hull there is such a thing at Hull Botanic Gardens (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7KYzQouEyM at about 7mins) and, well, it would be rude not to. Luckily, I’ll have enough space for four DMUs. I also I made a mistake about my thing on topography as you’ll see from her (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OosN_rIfI1w at 2hr 24m 29s). I should have realised that from Birkenhead, Greenock and Port Glasgow as well as many other coastal towns. Whilst I’m correcting things, Bidston closed in 1997 (I must have got confused with the Stockport Tiviot Dale line, now part of the M60, being closed which served the port with coal from West Yorkshire for export to Ireland). The operation for the port is for a train to enter on the green section and switch into the turquoise section whilst a shunter awaits on the red. The shunter then comes out to the green and takes wagons from the train backs out to the green and Marshalls the wagons on to the red line for unloading. When the train is ready for departure, the train locomotive goes to the green section, as would the shunter and the train engine then backs on to the empties (once the shunter has gone to the turquoise section) and wrong line works until the crossover as happens at Brocklesby (I like saying ‘Brocklesby’) Junction. Centre to centre on both straight sides is 50mm (I believe this is the correct spacing - the measurement I’ve heard from numerous people - centre to centre measurement). I’ll have to double check that. The software might be wrong in terms of the points, so yes, I will have to remember that and change things accordingly. I just hope the design shows my intention, but if there are glaring errors I’ll take that on board. The inner curves are longer than set track 4th radius curves, so I think I should be fine. Below is what I intend to run (probably with 31s, 37s and 47s, mostly, but the odd 56 and 60): Engineering trains (essential, so kind of obviously everywhere on the British Rail network) Coal trains of HEA/PFA (as per Seaforth/Ellesmere Port respectively) Petroleum trains of TTAs (as per the North Wales coast line) Short steel trains (as per trip workings) DMUs (156s, 158s as per pretty much anywhere on the British Rail network) Locomotive hauled passenger trains (37/4s or 47/4s with four or five mk1s or mk2s as per the North Wales coast line, possibly slightly longer as per Liverpool - Newcastle transpennine trains) HSTs (as per pretty much anywhere on the British Rail network) Railtours hauled by my own heritage and my Uncle Tony’s locomotives (44986, Pvt. E Sykes, Mallard, King’s Own Yorkshire Light Infantry and a couple of others I’m struggling to identify) Possibly Nuclear KFAs (as per the North Wales coast line) My port siding will carry about 19 HEAs in total with a locomotive, but 15 will be fine as I’d still want space for buffers and shunting. There is only enough for six BBAs with buffer, locomotive and shunting space. I’ve read the ‘correct’ width for a platform is 33mm, but here is no correct length. I’m tempted to have the platform longer than needed and have one end decaying, with weeds, possibly even fenced off. The station is going to have to be a variety of stations and not really there all at the same time - adding passing loops and such would just complicate things and I’d like to keep things as simple as possible and have some room for scenery. Sir John Betjemin’s Great Central Railway (https://www.gcrailway.co.uk/the-railway/sir-john-betjeman/) describes the scenery more than the train or railway. The idea for crafting myself a small set of BBAs came from wanting something to do and they’re used a lot. I’d like to start making something of ‘mine’ rather than just copying the people, as important to me as they are, who came before me). As regards a location, well, I’m not too fussed about that. As we can see there is a strong North Wales influence. Not all that surprising, really, given my Dad took us photographing the railtours along the North Wales coast or on the Settle and Carlisle route. ‘Whereton’ sounds an appropriate name, given my conflict between the North East and North(/South) Wales. I could call it Blairford if it’s going to be “traditional values in a modern setting”. lol. Lanark, Milton Keynes, Port Sunlight, Saltaire and Welwyn Garden City are specially created towns. I’m glad I settled on an oval, too. The oval means I can, at least in my head, operate a journey from place to place (1 revolution = x mile(s)). Aside from the layout, directly, I now have the challenge of sorting out my garage. Things that need to be done, if they can be: Door replacement especially as the door doesn’t quite meet the ground (its at the bottom of a slope from my flat to the garage) Garage floor needs tiling or some sort of flooring that isn’t just concrete - its dusty in there… Needs a general tidy, so I can use ‘under my baseboards’ as storage Thanks for your ideas folks. It’s hard communicating with me. When I was diagnosed with Autism it was due to my obviously poor social communication skills and social understanding. Obsessiveness is also a problem for me (one reason Anxiety and Autism are linked is because they both have a circular thinking pattern. Abstract thought isn’t a problem for me - the doctor said that my creativity and intelligence help me mask that. On a personal level, I tried them and sometimes they didn’t work out, but they lead to my own way of sorting things. You have helped. Sometimes I need grounding and thinking out things as I can get overexcited about the tiniest of things. I felt encouraged- one of my great ‘general’ regrets in life is having given up so easily. I have other regrets too - like the numerous times and ways I’ve proverbially shot myself in the foot (you might not be surprised that I fell out with Getty Images). Being a perfectionist and not having the confidence to pursue that perfection. I’m my own worst enemy. Once I realised there were battery generators are available I felt I could use the garage and not have to make do with an alcove or massively change (and possibly even get rid of) furniture. Anyway, I must get back to those Cambrian kits - George V stuck in his stamps in to his own stamp collection. Hopefully I'll get to test them on my Dad's Chester/Crewe/Shrewsbury (during the 1950s/60s) layout. Thanks again, all of you, Regards, Jonny

I know by 1990-94 cattle docks at stations weren't a thing. In all the years I've been alive, I cannot recall a single instance of something like this (some stations didn't even have this when they were originally built). Maybe I wasn't very clear and/or got my maths wrong, so the corners and centre-to-centre measurements are wrong. Possible if not probable for the former. Actually the case in the latter (I still don't have things right). However, I was thinking of a car park for one side of the station. You should see from the thread that I've never mentioned a cattle dock. The only mention of a historic layout possibility is that of a coal export port, similar to that of the original purpose of the Stockton and Darlington railway - this wasn't without precedent in the early 1990s: Bidston (I think this actually closed in the early 1980s) Ellesmere Port Harwich is the smallest rail connected port I can think of on the East coast of the UK Holyhead (okay, intermodal exports/imports and passengers) Hunterston (okay, coal and iron ore imports) Mostyn (okay, not coal) Seaforth (okay, coal imports) As I've mentioned, or at least implied, Felixstowe or Immingham (or marshalling yards like Acton, Alexandra Docks, Arpley, Dee Marsh, Healy Mills, Kingmoor, Margam, Mossend, Tees, Toton and Tyne) are just too big to model in the space I have (certainly in OO and probably even in N too). However, no-one said I have to model Felixstowe or Immingham etc.