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Thank you all, I will read up on this, until I looked at this more closely I naively thought the Churchward levers were all located at the one end A) as I described at the outset.

Please can anyone advise. I built a Coopercraft GWR 7 plank open many years ago. I realise now that ( having bought another kit) I built the brake levers incorrectly adding a “ratchet” mechanism on both sides which I will rectify. (I also need to add the missing Shaft linking the two brake levers.) A) The instructions for this kit indicate the brake levers should both be located at one end i.e. side 1 right side (with ratchet mechanism), side 2 left hand side (when looking at them side on). B) Looking at some rtr run GWR opens, vent vans I can see that the Churchward levers are located on opposite corners i.e. both are on the right hand side (when looking at them side on). When did this changeover happen from A) to B)? Would 7 plank wagons still have A) in the early to mid 1920s?

Thanks Mallard60022 / Phil for your reply, really useful. For the moment then I’ll just order the one set of Wizard Model sides for the Southern Pride kit I’ve had stashed away (at the time I’d bought the wrong kit). Richard

Sorry I appreciate it is a diversion from the thread …..but was Diagram 2406 Brake Comp the appropriate coach for those used on the Atlantic Coast Express in the early 1960s ? All I can recall is it should have a centre toilet. I am thinking about purchasing some replacement sides from Wizard Models for some older Bachman Bulleid coaches and a Southern Pride kit I have. https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/carriage/s7s/

I am guessing it is an advertisement for a Ewbank carpet sweeper? I couldn’t see that particular poster but here is an earlier version https://www.advertisingarchives.co.uk/detail/44572/1/Magazine-Advert/Ewbank/1880s

I agree that a Dean goods would be more likely, an Armstrong standard goods would be more interesting but even less likely than a Collett.

I have today ordered two of the wooden minks and received an automated email confirming the purchase.

Thank you Graham Most of the photos I’ve seen only show the SRM’s at the end in the very late 1920s early 1930s . I wonder if the “mouldings “ changed from the earlier periods and amongst individuals over the years? The RCTS booklet I have has very few illustrations.

Sorry to show my ignorance but there are two different body mouldings (as shown above) for this SRM .I presume this is for different times in its life?

It seems curious that the height difference between loco and tender on various photos of the D class vary so much. On mine the difference seems quite slight in comparison to others. I am unsure if it improved matters by me tightening up the two screws under the cab which were noticeably loose. A Youtuber's D class also had this issue.

Thanks Stephen your reply is much appreciated

Apologises if this has been mentioned before re the 4 wheel brake is the arrangement of the guards duckets at the very rear windows at the very rear of the coach unique just to the LBSC railway or did any other companies have this arrangement? I have ordered a number of sets (different companies) and am wondering if I should re-order some coaches singularly

I’d personally prefer the darker shade. This isn’t because of any knowledge of the correct shade. But my thought was that at least in the early days when they went away from varnished mahogany they would go for a shade that to most resembled real aged mahogany than something freshly prepared. Maybe later changing to a redder shade of paint when the link with real mahogany had gone?

=It I am hoping this is okay as it is a “part” of a photo from the RC Riley collection... quite a well known one? It is a fish train, hauled by loco 5347, with what I take to be six Bloaters, a Tadpole and passenger brake van* in early 1920s? * It’s hard to for me to see but it looks like a 4 wheel brake van of what type I do not know?

Thanks Miss Prism for a very thorough answer the squat safety valve cover didn't look anything like the photos I could source ; especially where the loco had the original square drop footplate. Yes now I look the chimney fitted is narrower and than some of the photos (especially the one of 2814) and the front pony truck spring cover as often appears under nourished. Much appreciated Richard

Please can anyone advise on the safety valve cover on this model as produced by Hornby under the NRM label. It depicts one of the earlier locos with the square drop running plates and a small tender, but with top feed (which I understood appeared prior to WW1) When i look at photos of the class the safety valve cover appear much taller in photographs, whereas on 2818 it is a much squatter design. 2818 I understood was of the first production batch, with a higher pitched boiler, but looking at others of the same batch they still have taller s/v covers. I was looking for it to depict a loco in the mid 1920s , when is Hornby's version meant to represent with the s/v cover it has? I am presuming that the safety valve cover might have been reduced later in life and is as preserved.

Hi Neal I might have a similar problem whilst testing mine on a rolling road it just suddenly stopped. Checking further I discovered that the crank pin on the one leading wheel was caught on the back of the cross head and it had moved the slide bars etc from the horizontal to a diagonal. I moved them back into place but it has happened again. I am wary about using glue there is a “pip” on the top of the cylinder assembly that fits into the bottom of the running board . I will try to post pictures to illustrate what I mean. Ps Before this it was running very smoothly, the slow running issues some others mentioned I assumed was down to the mechanism having to overcome the initial “reluctance “ of the fly wheel. Maybe without the fly wheel it would run as slow as some people would want? Richard

Shouldn’t that be the other way around? The pre 1928 is GWR green is surely the darker duller shade if there is difference. I have heard some people say there is no difference but some of the paint manufacturers have two different greens pre and post 1928

Well as has been said by others the photos etc issued by Dapol seem to show the models with grey wheels. The wheels don’t look black especially compared to the roof, running plate, and smoke box. As I said I’m hoping it’s a trick of the light and is changed on the full production versions. But Dapol have previous form doing this there N gauge GWR Hall was released with grey wheels. So if they are grey it is even more “unforgivable “

Yes has it been established if the wheel colour of these 43xx? Hoping it is a trick of the light rather than Dapol reverting to the grey wheels that originally appeared on their N gauge Hall class.

Dave thank you for a very clear photo of 544 - one I wasn't aware of and much better than the one I had -which shows it "on the road" at Wood End, Warks in the 20s . Is this just before they take it apart or after its been reassembled

Ade please accept my apologises I had misread page 5 of the MM instructions it was 544, 546 -8 that received full cabs in the Churchward period. Sorry for unintentionally muddying the waters Best wishes R

Ade will watch this with interest as I have salted away what I hope is a more straightforward / less complex kit -the Eric Underhill one. Other than purchasing number plates for number 545 it is as far as it’s gone. I have a copy of the Malcom Mitchell instructions it suggests 544 received a closed cab quite early under Churchward, but I’ve not seen photos? Best wishes Richard

Yes that confused me. Lionheart have confirmed that their 1920s exclusive edition is being produced alongside the post 1930s ones.

Probably less chance of the 14xx being reissued in 00 than Dapol introducing a N gauge 14XX with an updated chassis I think Hattons model has put paid to this for a few years. I would be surprised if their model was resurrected with a new chassis in the EFE railway range