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@RapidoCorbs sorry not necessary I only tagged you today ( you shouldn’t be pestered weekends). Thank you for the reply, much appreciated. The issue of GW paint is contentious some authorities state the GW green pre 1928 was a darker shade, including the paint manufacturers- Precision, Railmatch and Phoenix.

If I may ask some questions for Rapido @RapidoCorbs with regard to the 4400 (early 1920s) version, will the copper cap and safety valve be a painted finish copper / brass ? If so I think I will be looking at 4408. Will all the GW versions (from the two earliest to the last two) be the same shade of green ? I know that there is not universal agreement on any change to GW green. Albeit there are later anecdotal tales of Swindon thinning down the paint that once fired the loco’s green paint darkened. Looking good !

Please can we not have anymore A3s, A4s, class 47s As for the requests for a new GW 57xx couldn’t we have the more long lived 2021 saddle/ pannier tank or a Metro tank. More suitable for smaller branch lines. Otherwise for steam a Saint, County 4-6-0, unrebuilt Bulleid B of B/B/ West Country, 8F, LNW Cauliflower, Ivatt 2MT. Or an 08, class 67.

I take it to mean that Rapido are looking to increase the variety offered. Hopefully this includes those originally with a straight drop front end, (4500-29), with/without cab shutters/ outside steam pipes, choice of safety valves, tapered buffers etc. (I appreciate one with a short bunker would be too much to expect 😊). This is no different from the desire for a new 57xx pannier without top feed. The 57xx in my eyes, even though an older model, still looks miles better detailed than Bachmann’s 45xx despite its age. Personally a GW 2021 saddle tank/ pannier would be more exciting for me than another 57xx. The Bachmann 45xx essentially portrays a (later batch lot 191-) curved drop front frame post 1930 version. Things like cab shutters are equally difficult to remove. The Bachmann 45xx to me now looks dated /clumsy in the detail : boiler fittings (incl. chimney, safety valve cover, whistles) coupling rods, handrails, lamp irons, wheels etc, when compared to more recent offerings like Dapol’s 51xx. Hattons suggest the Bachmann 45xx is now 20 years old this year. Like their Ivatt 2MT 2-6-2T there is no sign that they intend to give it a mid life update as they did with the 57xx/8750.

Not a proper photo but a couple of screen grabs.

My Draycott Manor had the headboards included in the poly bag that also contained the coal, other detail fittings. The BR headboards should be included with Draycott Manor.

For a change I would think the equally long lived, more numerous, more wide spread GW 2021 saddle / pannier tank is more of a missing link. The 2721 being a much larger engine and it would be less likely to appear on many branch lines that were weight restricted, especially in pre-grouping days. Similar to the 57xx, which is a brute of an engine when compared to the other more typical diminutive GW branch engines like the 850 and 1076.

As I understand it Accurascale' s first O gauge locomotive is due to be announced this weekend 14/15th October at GETS. So not long to wait 😃

The crest on this Dapol O gauge auto coach ( 7P-004-006) described by them as "GWR lined choc & cream 40" is the garter arms. The lined panelling had already disappeared before the "GWR twin coat of arms" livery appeared in 1928 on repaints (The year before the coach livery had changed to a basic choc & cream without the panel lining).

I am probably alone in this but the one thing for me that I prefer on the Dapol manor is the safety valve cover, the finish and the subtlety of its curve/shape. The Accurscale s/v cover looks to me too flat in profile. For me there is a mismatch between best chimney and best safety valve cover on each model, the opposite in each case. I think it demonstrates how good the overall shape and form of the Accurascale manor is that I am nit picking.

For accuracy I would point out that Sam’s Trains has over 140k subscribers and at this moment the Accurascale Manor video has 22k views. His videos are watched by a wide spectrum of people. I take on board your comments but for many people his videos are watched to enable them to form their own opinions. We are after all still free to disagree with his conclusions, having watched with our own eyes. He admits himself that his prototype knowledge is lacking which is no different to some other well known model train YouTubers. Re. The AS Manor review I did think he was unduly harsh and I commented as such, but have still got three on order, which I am patiently waiting for. The oddly pitched boiler/firebox and wheels had put me off the Dapol one. Compared to most of the “professional “ model train reviewers on YT his videos are considerably more thorough, going through a set routine, showing the mechanisms, bearings, pickups, close ups of the detail, as well as extensively running them. His video production standards are also considerably superior to many others, especially close ups of the detail and presentation. Regarding slow running of model trains this was always something in the past that was admired and aspired to by fine scale modellers; especially those with small end to end layouts. These top revered modellers, were all too aware that real steam locomotives didn’t so much crawl, but model steam locomotives not having the mass of the real thing often need to crawl to properly couple up; especially if an alternative auto coupling is employed. That the example Sam had wasn’t apparently as smooth/ loose mechanism at slow speed could be seen. Maybe it will improve with more running in. What I could see from Sam’s videos was that, despite the crawl, the AS Manor was more realistic/ detailed in appearance and had the stronger more powerful mechanism (Sam conceded that it would pull 6 more coaches than the Dapol one). Seeing Larry P’s “Model Railroading” YT video ( thanks @Cofga) also confirmed to me that I was making the right choice with the AS ones. So ideally I would like my model locomotives to have mechanisms with plenty of torque, that are able to crawl, and also have the wheels set in proper bearings. If I am the odd one here with this opinion so be it.

Did they say which chimney, there are different chimneys on some of them. The earlier GW one or the later BR one, I am presuming they were comparing like for like? If I recall correctly one of the GW ones is as preserved rather than having the GW chimney.

If this is happening after the stay alive has had sufficient time to charge and you are using DCC then it needs sending back.

@RapidoCorbs could I make a plea that the GW middle chrome Green be matched as close to “Land Rover Deep Bronze Green“. I am assuming the colour illustrations are not the final shade as both the GW ones look lacking in depth of colour-a bit pale. We don’t want the GW 44xx matching Hornby’s GW green or Dapol’s GW green on their O gauge 48xx. They possibly based their paint on a photo of a preserved, newly painted, in full sunlight GW locomotive.

14/15th October at the Great Electric Train Show was when I understood the O gauge announcement from Accurascale was due.

Thank goodness for some sanity in this otherwise turgid morass that this RMweb Accurascale Manor thread has become. First there was the entitled impatient ones who wanted their AS Manor first. Now “gap gate” with convoluted solutions for a minor issue that can only be spotted from <18” 🙄 Who would want to be a model railway manufacturer?

Apologies if this has been mentioned before but the Renwick & Wilton wagon I thought I’d seen these depicted elsewhere as black wagons with white writing whereas Rapido’s seem to be brown. Was this something that changed at a certain date or were previous depictions incorrect? Richard

Is it the case that Accurascale have so far only received a few versions of the Manor loco, or are they all in stock?

Isn't "Winston Churchill " MW loco an L class (which stands outside, right by the entrance to the Black Country Museum) ? It has a stated build date of 1923. If the MW "Warwickshire" (on the SVR) is an L class this was apparently built in 1926. https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/manning-wardle-works-no-2025-winston-churchill-0-6-0st/

One of the following Hawksworth County Unrebuilt Bulleid Light Pacific 8F

I understood that on Saturday’s the Cambrian Coast Express exchanged locomotives for a Manor at Wolverhampton and that it was only weekdays this happened at Shrewsbury.

Unrebuilt Bulleid Light Pacific GW County 4-6-0 8F 08 That should do unless they fancy tackling some pre grouping LNW, MR or GW

I would think this should not be too much of a problem, it can be easily prevented by the roof having sufficient rigidity by the inclusion of suitable bracing on the underside. The issue of some of the Toad’s roofs bowing was as a result of Rapido striving to make the roof moulding as close to scale thickness as possible (with a detailed underside).

That would require a short bunkered 45xx or 44xx. Would be the first accurate pre-grouping GW tank.

If the date assigned to this photo of 4405 is correct at C1930 then it still has the earlier short bunker. It must have been one of the last to have its bunker modified.