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Pull Push written on the ends of LMR driving trailers was not unusual. As often as not one sees PL PH.

Trackplan and more in 'A Historical Suvey of the Chester to Holyhead Railway by Anderson and Fox (OPC).........if you can lay your hands on a copy!

I won't pretend I know anything about the LNWR in South Wales, but I have cine to video footage by either Whitehouse or Camwell of LNWR 'Coal Tanks' working elderly LNWR arc roof stock in very bleached LMS crimson lake on one of the Valley lines circa 1949.

Yes. 47478 was push pull fitted for working Swansea-Brynamman service. Nos. 7477 - 81, 7655 and 7681 were push pull fittted by the LMS. The auto gear was mounted on the LH side of the smokebox and the extra pipe was fitted to the left of the coupling with top of pipe just above footplate.

Typos rule I'm afraid Mr.Forest2807.....

Yes.

Buffalo : That is because the coach is carrying LMS crimson lake or postwar maroon with LMS style lining even though it might have BR Gils Sans insignia in place of LMS style markings. Coaches built or repainted up to around April 1949 continued to receive Big Four liveries until instruction was given to use the new BR colours.

Push pull fitted coaches often had lining in BR days as if they were regarded as somewhat upmarket from other non-corridor coaches! I'm only going of memory here but I think only the Period III push pull coaches were lined out. On the 1949-56 BR carmine red, lining took the form of a single "yellow" & black line above the windows and immedietly below the windows. When maroon was adopted in 1956 the waist lining changed to yellow-black-yellow and was often positioned at the same level as lining on Stanier corridor stock. In otherwords the lining ran through the door handles. The end pipes were coloured as shown in my carriage workbench:- http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/blog/310/entry-5586-non-corridor-suburban-coaches/

I've only just returned to this thread and come across enquiries about Llandudno Junction carriage shed. I hope the following will assist.... 150226 on driver training soon after arrival in shed on 2nd March 1987. They took over TransPennine services on 14th May. Pit detail in foreground..... Stylish Class 151 in storage on 2 April 1990. Raised walkway detail..... Bottom end of shed showing ballasted track. The two 40's 97406 (40 060) and 97407 (40 012) had worked welded rails to Gaerwen. 25th July 1985...... Also at the back end of shed, Plasser & Theurer Type RM 62-BR Machine No.15 built in 1966 DR7606. With runner wagon No. ZSV : B93694 and bo=xvan DE 265491. 19th July 1990. Carriage E4997 was involved in NWCE fatality.... Exterior of shed looking forward towards entrance....... Back of Llandudno Junction shed showing Mess Room referred to by Merfyn Jones earlier...... GW green livery 47500 Great Western beside the fuelling point........ Somthing to add a little character to your shed....Internal User wagon built by BRC&W Co. in 1952 to Lot 2290. Livery all black with white lettering............. A bit more character in the shape of yard lamps (one time gas). 25035 moving off shed....... Cheers, Copyright Larry G.

With the GCR carmine red non-corridor third just completed today, here is a shot of my Guide Bridge-Greenfield rush hour train of circa 1954...

I took so much (probably 100%) of this architecture for taken for granted in my youth. It was all around and black yet, seeing your exquisite modelling, I am now looking at such things anew. I haven't walked around Manchester inner city ereas for probably 50 years and in my minds eye I can still see it as it was in the 1960's. You obviously have bags of patience and love what you are doing. Larry

Mucky Duck : It's Gauge One, not my favourite scale but it's certainly got presence.

LMS Turboloco, ex works straight out of the paintshop......

Hi Johnathon, Doesn't sound very hopeful then.

Hi Moz, those GCR coaches are of interest to me as I need one for a push & pull train. I believe they were built as London Suburban Stock from 1905 with the low-eliptical roof. I need a 7-compartment all-first kit I think. Three compartments were downgraded to third class in the 1930s. In addition, an end compartment was stripped out to form a luggage space and push-pull driving compartment. Do you happen to know if there is a full first in the Perseverance range Mozzer? I've done it here instead of a PM in case the info is of interest to others. Thanks, Larry Errata : This coach only had the luggage compartment.

Agreed, you've made a really neat job of that D10C Restaurant Car. I couldn't make head nor tail of the roof vents from a verbal description, but you have obviously cracked it! Larry

Markits bogie and tender wheel centres are metal and the tyres on wheels Ive had are nickel silver. They are quite a posh product compared with the old Romford Mazak offerings. The splashers on the K's 43XX look to be for a smaller diameter wheel that the loco actually needs.

Alant, only the polished bufferheads lets this excellent shot down. It whets my appetite for a good 4F, which I am hoping Bachmann will spring on us 'mid-term' by announcing a 4F on its 3F chassis!

I spent 30-odd years at the painting end of coach production and so when I decided to move into the construction side I was able to start from a blank piece of paper and incorporate detail I considered essential without adding much to the building time. Much time and money was spent experimenting, which probably drove poor Adrian Rowland mad seeing it was he who had to transfer the ideas onto CAD and make them workable. Speeding up production and eliminating things that would be a pain in the butt when faced with doing things on an almost daily basis were important (to me). It is a totally different ball game from building coaches for a hobby where time has no limits.

Jim, BR's apt building site yellow complete with rust that had replaced the maroon of earlier times on platform vehicles is well captured, particularly as the vehicle itself must be very small in 4mm. The 1970's town and inner city grot is not an era I personally would wish to revisit, but it hasn't prevented me from appreciating good modelling.

It was a shame to repaint the beautiful LoadHaul 56 but I can see your point. It's more satisfying to keep to a particular era at the end of the day. The North Wales line in the 1990's was awash with old and new liveries and it was easy to forget which ones were the heritate colours after a while. The painting and weathering is an inspiration Brian....As real as it gets under the magnified eye of the digital camera.

Buffalo sent me some pictures via a PM and so to bring this thread up to date I attach the following.... The first picture behind 1P 0-4-4T 58086 is an LMS Period II push-pull driving trailer in LMS lined livery but with M prefix number. Example numbers being 24405, 24460-24468 without duckets. The coach behind 58046 is indeed an LNWR vehicle. It is a 50ft X 9ft cover-roof D338 brake thirds built in 1906, nine of which were converted to push pull diagram M71. The coach in the picture is No.24477 which left the LNWR system to work on the Wells branch. It was lit from either jumper cables or batteries in the guards van. It was built as LNWR 721 for Birmingham District Set 20, which was converted to push pull operation in June 1912. Later running numbers were LNWR 7125 and LMS 7976 before 1933. The last of these coaches was withdrawn in March 1955. Note the alteration to double doors at the driving end. The coach under the overall roof with low eliptical roof is presumed to be a S&DJR vehicle as it looks niether Midland nor LSWR but has characteristics of both Derby and Eastleigh. Hope this assists. Larry

This is intriguing. If Ivo Peters didnt photograph any push pull trains in 1950 I wonder if they had been discontinued on the S&DJR. Re. the LNWR coach with highish windows in the end, I would need to see a photo. The LNW seemed to have a standard style of driving trailer end that was fitted regardless of date of conversion to push pull.

Never understood why these weren't on the back so they could be pushed out as bump stops. I put indian ink in mine.

I was merely responding to a question my friend.