Bob Reid

I know it's kind of straying off the topic Chard however you maybe want to expand the thread and re-title it to include the "last of the Mohicans (Exordium and Terminus)" given how interesting these sub-classes are. I can't let this excellent photograph from the collection of Robert Carroll go without mention. http://www.flickr.co...96245/lightbox/ A mohican with flared trousers! Nor itself; 25-25 http://www.flickr.co...dle/4348092498/

Fair enough Chard. The wings or not subject would probably be a whole topic of it's own! I'd hate to be that RTR manufacturer that tries to model one of that batch - correctly! I thought maybe you were bringing up D5127 (24127) which apart from being very shy on the photograph front, allegedly had the 'as built' box at one end, and winged at the other - both the available photo's that've come up so far only clearly show the No.1 end! Or maybe this boy here 24055 with a skinhead 'as built' No.2 end, and an HBS (ex D5114 apparently) box at the No.1! http://www.flickr.co...N07/4997156652/ count the headboxes on this lot at Crewe So why is D5127 (24127) so camera shy?

It wasn't uniquely a thing of the Inverness allocated Derby Type 2s (D5114-D5132) though Chard - being used from 114 right through to 150 and on to the first 25 25s...... (D5114-5175) Unless I'm not spotting something you've seen? (cept' all those oddities that crept in over the years)!

Some I've already seen Chard - curiously missed that one of D5125..... I'll go back over them again, Here's my own favourites from the DerbySulzer site; St.Rollox painters doing what they did best on this one - not getting with the programs as far as the Rail Warning Yellow was concerned..... http://www.derbysulzers.com/24kyle74bw.jpg D5125 looking much like I remember any of the cars I bought with delivery mileage only on the first day.... http://www.derbysulzers.com/5125barrowbw.jpg Funnily enough in this shot you've shown; http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=12514 The red arrow/blob thing is directly above where my office once was - before being relegated (as with a lot of ScR depots) to a Portakabin!

Ron is there a date & location for this shot of 24132? http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f122/Ron_H/gb24132.jpg

Many thanks for the pictures Ron. Chard; A couple of errors have crept into the disposal history of 24115 & 24124. These two were cut up at Swindon, having left Millerhill according to David of the DerbySulzers web site on May 4th 1977 (along with 24065 & 24107)

Here's the culprit for 5131s demise.......

Thanks Ian - severe cut n'paste failure on my part there!

They were never the most reliable loco's Chard - mostly down to the bodyside filters as opposed to the more reliable BRCWs with filters above cant rail level, causing BR much anguish in the early days. That coupled with the fact that they were inordinately draughty, I doubt many train crews missed them.

Away an polish some turds! (trust you to find that one) 5114 it is! (see this supersize Vs superskinny shot) Thanks Ian......

It's the non-headcode box 24s he's referring to Ron, not 5114-5132 Thanks for uploading the pics!

Cheers Phil. Off to amend them.

Well Chard, for your D5131 'Legend' I'll raise you with D5125 'Hero' Almost 8 weeks shuttling back and forward between Kyle and Strathcarron, stuck the wrong side of a landslide........ To quote the DerbySulzers entry; Here, courtesy of the GNSRA site is D5125 in happier days

Lovely shot of your Caprotti Standard 5 there Tim. What's the models provenance? [Found the answer to my question Tim at http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/gallery/image/25910-patricroft-caprotti/ Many thanks]

37410 Failed en-route whilst working 5Z33. Pie heater not working, main generator earth fault - return Crewe then FHD. 37411 vice (Glasgow DCC, Power & MC advised)

Good to see the notice in this months modeller of the layout featuring as you said, in next months edition!

Good to see a bit of Eastfield weathering on this one - a bit more convincing!

Sorry to disappoint after all this time Dave It's not the Dobbies Loan Bridge at Buchanan Street (an all stone structure) but the St.Leonards Bridge at the South end of Perth Station - see here http://www.flickr.co...ill/2497214807/ and more clearly here http://www.flickr.co...ill/2981159709/ before the colour light era..... And just to gloat a bit more, it's an Alexander's Fife bus not Western SMT

Nothing ugly about it at all - dam site better than that short @rse one they built for the WR

Backing up what Larry wrote, on the whole no change would have been made to the regional prefix if it was being used "on-loan" to another region, and even if it was a permanent move, they were rarely (if ever) changed until next time they visited the shops. It wasn't in those days something the local C&W examiner did.

Run it into Glasgow Central? (2nd photo in)

Cheers Boris. Having worked with them myself Boris both for BR and in Preservation and having ben unable to find any images of them the wrong way round in BR days (not that means an awful lot - just the photo's I can find) I was struggling to understand when they came to be like that! However as you say - it's your coach. And a good one you picked to!

Out of interest Boris, were these preservation vehicles you looked at? as I suspect the cylinders have been remounted after a brake overhaul the wrong way (round), or at least, not as they were originally intended.

Hi Boris, The release valve, at least for that type of brake cylinder, is in the correct position (it didn't pull directly on the valve - there was a small lever extending out at right angles to it) relative to the cylinder pivot bosses. However you've placed the cylinder the wrong way round as the valve should be to the inside - towards the bottom longitudinal, not as you've got it, towards the solebar side. Lovely build all the same!

Most of the production B4s & B5s were designed at the same time - or at least within a short time of each other (the Mark's 2-8 were used originally to identify the variant for a particular application - rather than to identify a newer or "improved" version built over time). When first drawn up however, none were shown with friction dampers, though some but not all were to receive them later as a modification (from possibly as late as 1969 onwards). It's perhaps confused by Parkin calling them pre-production B4s in in the photo, when they were the Mark II production version - and were the only ones to be fitted with side pull brakes and equalisers in combination with the lack of friction dampers (recognisable by the large brake beams at either end of the bogie).