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latest Hornby release

Just to add to Pete's post, IIRC they were around 15 - 16 quid Ooh look, we're talking about the model again, not the prototype

Thanks Tim. While you're here, what are those two shiny gold things on top of the big roundy bit?

Pretty much the size of it Steve. I saw these locos regularly from when I started spotting in very early '68 until their withdrawal a few months later, and have obviously absorbed any info on their local use since (not that there's much). A pair was seen as theoretically equivalent to a WD, and one of their main duties was the Hessle Quarry - Wilmington chalk trains for Earles Cement. The only one I personally recall seeing solo was on the Paragon rubbish train, but there's a pic by the Rev Benson of one working the Brid goods in the second Irwell volume on Hull's railways (and a good few pics of them paired) I dont think gradients were a particular problem (Hull's pretty flat ) but braking would be an issue, given that a pair would likely be handling a heavy block train with more momentum than their designed use on trip workings. Not being MU fitted, they needed a crew each and that was inevitably another factor against them. The chalk trains, for their last few months, went over to 37s and Dairycoates' 20s would also no doubt have covered some of their jobs

Oh, my apologies, didnt see that one. Doh Probably cos it's green I think you've been misled by the colour rendition of the film. Apart from it still being too early for blue, the bogie is too well grimed for a recent repaint

Given that 37s weren't ever done in chromatic blue (only a few hydraulics were), no blue 37s were known to have small yellow panels, 37s werent overhauled at Swindon and nothing was blue in 8.64 apart from D1733, I doubt it. In fact I doubt it's even a 37 - it's something blue admittedly, but it's behind a sliver of reddish brown which is probably the corner plate of a High Goods wagon I'd concur with that Paul, it's another example of what I said recently about modelling a preserved loco being akin to modelling another model. The Dursley shot is perfectly typical of an 'in service' D95xx number whereas the preserved one (like many preserved locos), isnt. Before anybody jibs at this comment, I have the greatest of respect for anybody involved with such restorations, but it is unfortunately a fact that some loco's livery details are not faithful replications of how they were in service Hardly a show stopper though, given that we'll not all want to be running D9500

merest hint of

Well now, the finescale state of mind must truly know no limits, if it extends to picking up perfectly literate members on the most obvious of typos

Absolutely B)

It'll have to have the buffers done right, or I'll not pay a penny over 50 quid for it

Inclined to agree with that. The NRM have it pretty much taped really - they can produce repeat batches of the non-LE version whenever they want and whenever they perceive a demand. Bachmann are effectively a subcontractor and as long as their costs get covered at some point in the proceedings, they're not going to be too bothered

Why is it Bachmann's error? As I understand it, it's a stipulation of the licensing agreement with Britt Alcroft (or whoever)

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I stand corrected Anthony - now it's been mentioned I do recall a few posts by 'NRM' in connection with 'Deltic'; my point being that there wasnt anybody who was routinely around in the same way as, say, Chris Leigh for ModelRail. As for you and your colleague, I dont blame you for keeping your heads down

Full brakes (BGs), yes definitely Ralph - both Gresley and Thompson variants lasted in capital stock until around 1976/77, although I'd reckon the one you saw at FP would be in either engineers' or intenal use. But very few ordinary day coaches of pre-BR design made it into the 70s - I think I'm right in saying that Thompsons became extinct in 1968 and Gresleys much earlier (probably 1964/65)

As Garry says, this sort of talk comes up every so often but it's flawed at best and sensationalist at worst. You dont have to buy everything the minute it comes out and you dont have to buy new - this year, I've picked up no less than three HJ 27s for less than ??50 each (two new, Hattons reductions, and one s/h but like new), and a Bachy 20 (again s/h but immaculate) for ??25 I must say I find that a bit of a silly thing to be saying on a forum where the NRM dont have a presence. Why dont you just contact them yourself and ask?

Perusing Railway Observers for something else entirely, the July 68 edition mentions W9118E as running on Portsmouth - Cardiffs. It goes on to say that W9135E 'is now blue and grey', implying that 9118 wasnt

I really dont get this logic based purely on size - we had it last with the Hattons cl.14. Would you expect a Lotus to cost less than a Transit van :icon_what:

As Phil says, there are other options for conversion - the Jouef wagon is AFAIK an accurate (lengthwise) HO representation of a short Polybulk (about 45ft), hence is significantly short in 4mm; however, Electrotren do/did a much longer wagon, which formed the basis of the SMD wagons that Steve Flint ran on his old Reighton layout. Might be worth looking on the Hornby International web pages

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Bachmann, Hornby, Heljan, ViTrains and even Lima already do 'City of Truro'. All you need are the right etched plates and transfers for D1660 or 47076 or 47625... Coat, get

Didnt forget Bob - I didnt actually know I certainly remember the B1-bogied RMBs (unusual at that time) from 1975 and '76 Railrovers Cheers Mark, even with that small snippet you just doubled my knowledge about that one

Yep, it's an odd typeface, and that on the model does look too big. Not a problem if you're renumbering (except you wont know what to use, of course)