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As I recall (and I could be wrong, these wagons are a minefield), the wagons with straight-topped ends were the original ex-OCA conversions. Most but probably not all were later rebuilt into the higher 'notched' appearance

GPWM. Do we know if the 7F ever achieved the 'magic 9,000'? *If* it did, did it gain them straight off or (much more likely) through a small band of proponents raising awareness of it until enough other people latched onto it and added their votes?

Surely the population of Scotland's not *that* sparse

They do, it's quite startling. Thanks John.

So you think we should be pestering them for RTP buildings and trees then Seriously, I agree with Jamie's point. Whilst these initial responses might seem dismissive, it is pretty much the first they'll have heard of the proposals

99% sure it was 1979 - the last OBAs and HEAs (to name but two) carried the new liveries from new. No brakevans however were done until the mid-80s, when a further batch of dual-pipe conversions were done to supplement the mid-60s batch For that timescale, you also need to be considering freight maroon, which was applied to a lot of AB stock in the period from 1975

This observation isnt based on anything empirical (our locos havent passed 'acceptance trials' yet), but that might well be the jackshaft slopping about, as mentioned earlier in the thread

Chris, it doesnt really help with your Presflo query and is a 70s shot rather than 60s, but I thought this pic on one of Swiss Ernie's sites might be of interest. He also has another, 60s, gallery with some lovely stuff in B)

Arp, if you run parallel browsers (either two tabs, or separate windows, doesnt really matter), you can use one to post and the other to check stuff. Still loving the layout BTW B)

Don I dont think it's that strange, because I know the background, but it might be opportune for me to have a word. I saw the post you mention before its removal, and my view is that it was opportunist, disingenuous, personal and political, rather than being about defending you as such. It made an issue of agreeing with you that there was a problem - well yes, that was surely beyond doubt. What it didnt acknowledge is that there is a sensitive and acceptable way of reacting to the problem - a perusal of the Forum Help area will soon show that many posters have found that way. They just say something like 'I dont want to make a big deal of this, but...' It then went on to lecture me (by implication, not by having the courtesy or, might I say, the balls, to name or quote me), on having a 'hissy fit'. Now ordinarily, I might have smarted a bit at that and felt suitable chastened, but in this instance the person delivering said lecture is someone who has a long history of having public tantrums here whenever something isnt to his liking. I clearly recall, back on a very early RMweb, him storming out in a huff because the forum wasnt working properly and Andy wasnt fixing it quickly enough for him. I agree my reaction to your post was a bit OTT, but I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured about it by someone who needs to get his own house in order, someone who is not on genuine moral high ground but on a platform of double standards. I note you've made an apology in the other thread and I offer one likewise - although I stand by my basic point (and always will) about ingratitude to those who provide this facility for us, I could have been more restrained in making it. I would though with respect suggest that you're wise enough to stop digging around now, otherwise it might well appear that you're looking for support out of the main forum area and amongst a small gathering whom you might expect to support you. I'm happy to let it go and I hope you can do the same To the other Early Risers, apologies for this intrusion, but I trust you can see why I felt it appropriate here

This sounds interesting Trevor, are you talking about the error that Brian (Kirby) pointed out?

Hardly a blinding revelation, I thought that went without saying. As the slop is quite possibly exacerbating any other mechanical problems, I dont see it as fussy at all

After careful consideration and trial running, mine and Bri's are going back for replacement. One of them will not run slowly (long bonnet leading) without lunging, the other is admittedly smoother but has a persistent mechanical click in both directions; I appreciate the reasons may be those mentioned earlier but if they're deep in the drivetrain, then at this stage I think we can do better. I dont doubt there are things that can be done to mitigate the inherent slop and I'm prepared to spend time fettling a model that's basically good to start with, but as Tim says, sometimes you get that feeling that this could be as good as it gets Also there are no sandboxes on one and no nose door catches on t'other, as some others have mentioned; not a show stopper, but not brilliant either. Hattons so far look like being helpful, I sent an e-mail at 10 last night and got a reply within twenty minutes

Quick query, having just started to play with our two - are people having more hesitancy/lumping when running with the long bonnet leading, rather than the short?

Excellent pic Brian, thanks. I was hoping somebody would answer this conundrum before long :icon_thumbsup2: Mine of course will be in that special finish that Dairycoates applied

It has been mentioned, earlier in the thread. But hey, you can't weather over fresh air - calls for a spot of filling with either Plasticard slivers and/or um, filler...

Quite possibly Bill - I first recall mention of the release in Hornby mag's little side review panels, and it was well before December, but the ones I bought were the first I'd actually seen

Coming back to this, I didnt really follow which one was supposed to be right anyway... Two models are now resident at Chez Pennine (second one for a mate, unfortunately ), and if anything I'd say that it's the Brunswick green that's slightly out rather than the cab green, though it's nowhere near being an issue. As already mentioned, rainstrips look as if they'll bear some research before getting out the carving knife; the bonnet/bufferbeam cockup is admittedly disappointing (puts it in the same bracket as the Western cab peak I suppose), but I can learn to live with it and overall I'm happy enough so far

I'm sure somebody can - in the correct area, somewhere like 'Questions and Help' for instance

I'd agree there, without sounding like we're making demands of the manufacturers it is a bit of an 'it's these or nothing' submission. That said, and not wanting to divert too much further at this stage, one possibility not yet mentioned is the Director, which of course has a potential English spinoff and might go some way to addressing Gilbert's point about including something 'green and named'?

While we're in comparison mode, I think the cabside window on the Alexander kit is pants, by comparison for instance to the Constructeon one Good for you

Aye, it was the next job on the list at Dairycoates, Mike, after polishing the buffers of the local 37s Ditto. It may not be a perfect representation of a class I recall from very early spotting days, but even at 115 quid it's the cheapest one I'm likely to get

Would it be best for the votes for the 298 and 812 to be aggregated, given that anyone who voted for the one would still buy t'other? Or have some people voted for both...

And unless you're careful or lucky, at least one of the handrails will be glued in so firmly it'll break

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