Pennine MC

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/5642608423/in/set-72157625418636168 Interesting shot, spot on the time of the changeover

Cracking pics Mike. There is some stuff on this in existing threads, couldnt tell you where to start looking though. I dont think they got to Chester so often, if at all, but as that caption says the 43s regularly worked to Crewe via Salop on North to West workings and I think occasionally got through to Piccadilly. At some point in the mid 60s they would have become 47s turns, then a bit later there was a batch outstationed at Bescot, in theory intended to take over Padd - New Street turns but that didnt last long. They did however continue on freights around the W Mids and still occasionally worked in the Crewe direction. Phil (Bartlett) is your man for this, he's a hub of info about diesel workings in the area.

Is this relevant?: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rails-Fells-Railway-Case-Study/dp/0900586532

Isnt that a bit like Toyota refusing to fix faulty brakes but offering a free set of mats?

Greeny blue Dave (dependent on your colour perception), it was a Mainline model of a wagon bought by ICi for soda ash use: http://paulbartlett....com/icibulksoda (these few pics are of wagons in poor condition, hence the ICI paint isnt too apparent) (edit - 2nd one down, LH column): http://www.mainliner...A/RearCover.jpg

Thanks Stu That might have a bearing. I tend to think though it's that the solvent carrier 'flashes off' more quickly, though I believe the right thinners will counteract that Maybe so. A mate has a Bachy 25 that was crudely weathered with acrylics (not by him), and he says nothing will shift them

Please do Stewart, I think I would remember that if you'd posted it before

Hmmm, you often see patch painting there, I'd suspect over some welding bodge on the uprights themselves, but the plating patches are less common (though you can see similar on the sides of wagons, often near the door posts)

Interesting combo Stu, the roof as a whole looks much more convincing than some I've seen done with acrylics, and I like the subtle 'darkness' over the cabs

This one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/6454428569/in/photostream/ Interesting vehicle, I dont think the patch painting is random, think it's had one of the various 'disposal' brandings applied, possibly 'SUBEX2' which IIRC was for vehicles sidelined for inspection but not actually condemned, and was painted out if the wagon was found to be OK. Look at the wagon to its right also - at a glance at at more distance, you'd take it for 'overall' rust but there are several distinct shades in interesting disposition. Similarly the second wagon in Mike's shot is only moderately rusted on the sides, but heavy on the ends - modellers I think often apply rust flakes in a too evenly 'spaced out' pattern, possibly subconsciously.

Sounds odd but it wouldnt be unprecedented, I have a photo of a Presflo (and a 13T Highfit with cable drum) on the back of the evening Kyle - Inverness train in 1976 Yeah, they did get about, but not that far

I know it's early, but you sure about that

Will that be before or after the 'Fell' then

Bachmann's early blue has often been commented on as being a tad dark anyway. As has oft been discussed on this forum, the perception of Rail Blue varies greatly according to many factors (personally I'd say it was a bit 'green' anyway). As ever, YMMV, but expecting everything to look 'the same' is a hiding to nothing.

Just to augment Flood's comprehensive reply, 16084 is bogus; in reality that number would be a Mk1 composite (CK).

There are also a lot of bodywork differences between 10800 and the 16, despite the natural 'family similarity'.

To be fair Jon, some of the threads were on the old forum, which I dont suppose you'll be able to access. BV however has his own Flickr site now: http://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/sets/72157627649152349/

Jon mate, with the greatest of respect it is not 'wrong' by any definition (although it's arguably true that there could be better choices). There's no question that Bachmann have modelled an actual loco with 47148, in fact all of their fixed grille models are perfectly accurate in this respect, whatever number they have. The change to Serck grilles on new build was made quite early, as also was the retrofitting on any loco built with dual braking - but other locos that had been built VB only were only modded as and when they were DB fitted. That took a long time - from around 1969 until 1975ish, so it's far from impossible to find fixed grille locos in the '70s. Brush Veteran has posted shots of them and it's been covered on this and other forums many times since the model came out.

As Brian says, this wagon is one inherited by Dapol via the disparate confusing strands that evolved from 1970s RTR. Hornby also market it, with much the same inaccuracies and no doubt the same idea, to extract a steady revenue from something that owes them very little. IIRC though the Hornby Dublo 'SD' welded hopper was far too wide, so wouldnt sit easily on the ex-Airfix chassis anyway Not a comment linked to the model as such, but I'd be careful about setting too much store by the diagram numbers for 21T hoppers. Even the most cursory checking against photos on Paul Bartlett's Zenfolio site will reveal many BR-built wagons (mostly the earlier builds) that were not actually built to the allocated diagram. The pukka LNER ones are probably even more varied.

I'm thinking that LMS van is the new Cambrian one - looks nice, I picked one up last weekend.