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Think we got wires crossed. Everything you described I've been doing, I know the difference between the control station, green state and steering but the problems persist as described. Changing the logic to 0 or 1 doesn't ever move only 1 motor it's always 2 moving or non regardless of what I press so some routes are impossible. I meant addresses 2 and 3 not 1 and 2, maybe I typed wrong there. I'll retry in morning although I'm suspecting when programmed the motors when touching the double slip icon it might have programmed both to either 2 or 3 rather than 1 each...if so would explain why 2 of them always move. This thought occured recently as a maybe. Will find out tomorrow hopefully when I try what was suggester earlier using 2 standard turnouts to begin with....or keep if the slips are still a pita. Will report back once trialled the next goes.

I dunno. I've been at it well over 4 hours now. I've given up. Tried every combination under the sun. Not once has it done as ye collectively describe where one will fire only at certain settings. Will have 1 more go tomorrow and if it's the same rigmarol I'm fagging out and re-doing the track plan with 2 points end to end. Edit: was replying 2 posts above as only just saw yours. Edit 2: Will have a go tomorrow. Thanks all for your time; it's appreciated.

I'm unsure how to do that, I think. If you mean nock all the lights out first then turn them on 1 by 1 I tried that a few times to no avail. I'm gathering by all the above comments that a motor should always fire when any one of the 0s or 1s are pressed. If so fair enough. So far though it's always both firing or nothing happening.

I have not said the app is at fault. I'm saying it isn't yet doing as you all describe. In case it makes a difference, the smails are wired like I do Tortoises. Pins 1 and 8 go to track bus, 2 and 7 are joined together and go to frog.

Yeah it doesn't work. I programmed them as 1 and 2 but everything you've all been saying to do doesn't work. I've tried turning them all off and trying to turn on just one logic at a time. Even though only 1 is lit up both motors will always fire or non at all. Every combination yealds the same result. Both move or nothing at all.

If it helps the motors are mirrored with actuating levers on the inside and as you look at the layout the red wire/track is closest to operator. Still won't fire 1 only whatever I select, it's both or literally othing.

Ok, just tried that as you said. Same issue, they both move even though I only turn 1 on at a time and try it. It's not really making any sence.

Ok, I've had another go. Copied the logic you posted and it didn't work. Fiddled about more and the same issue persists. There is no way it will fire only 1 point motor. They either both move together or nothing happens. So still buggered. :-/ A proper quandry this.

I was replying to Jpendle who said the app had a fault in a rhetorical way. I'm not convinced the app has a fault.

I'll have a try now and report back. That current logic was the last setting before I left it though, have beeb teying all sorts. Gimmi 5/10.

So you have to set each one as a sequence order based on what the sequence is in the steering track plan, ok. If the app has an error and doesn't work properly what chance we got. Still need to solve this puzzle somehow.

Sure thing. The 01 and 1s are scrambled though. That's the last setting I've done. I'll add that on the track plan diagram I will be switching 2 and 3 again so 2 is closer to the 1. It's just backwards due to all the faff trying things.

Appreciated. It's what I've been doing pretty much though. Over 2 hours, closer to 3 faffing about to me is not good enough when 2 points end to end would be easy, they should have a DS operate like points then no faff. Anyway, problem is I've tried every setting and thete isn't a single one that will fire only 1 motor. They both move together or some combinations of 0 and 1 do zilch. Setting both straights can do but no curved one will happen. Really don't know what to do, it's beyond a joke. .... :-/

Thanks guys. I've got the basic jist now, however, I really need some help even more than before. I've just spent literally over 2 hours playing a puzzle game and I've had to switch everything off and come down from the loft as my stress levels are through the roof, literally can feel my being fizzing. Poxy double slips. It has 2 addresses, as you tap the same double slip icon I don't know which is which but ok fine, that's one thing. The 1s and 0s are guess work. I presume the top 2 sets are for the top address and bottom likewise. I presume the right 2 sets are for frog polarities vased on them not moving anything. I can set the straights. I cannot set a curved route as the two INSIST on always throwing together, and often wrongly. Sometimes you just need 1 to move for a curved route and they won't play ball. I've tried physically swapping the wires around a few times too, didn't seem to make a difference. Some combinations of 0 and 1 don't work either, no responce. Single points are fine, doubles are disgusting. Please help. Don't want to fag out and overlay 2 sets of standard points instead. .......ee..

Maybe it was Alan Partridge

Thanks for the shout out. Will just clarify I still have several liters of resin and around 13 of alcohol so good to do 3D printing still. The chassis I'll be making Shapeways only as they turn out better but the body kits n details still fine to print here. Have covered most the Cambrian and Furness variants for the loco's in question. As to 7mm prints on the Photon, due to small bed the bodies likely would have to be chopped in half but could have a look to see what's viable if anyone is interested here. Tenders will fit anyway. So far I chopped up one of my Pacific bodyshells and printed it in two halves. Join line wasn't bad but does need a dab of filler as expected.

Oh I see, thanks muchly, will try that in the morning. The Smail and Z21 instructions don't really explain it so it's a lot of trial n error currently. It did work though. When you say set Smail to be programmed do you mean press the button on the motor? If so how do I asign the number to it, how will it know that point motor is to be called 1? Do you just wiggle it on the control station version of the point when you set the state?

Making progress after fair bit of stressing. I've got the 1st Circuitron Smail point motor installed and programmed. Went to Vehicles, Accessories, called it Point 1, went to Programming on Main to call it 1, then clicked point 1 on the schematic and it's working. Didn't have to state polarity so was lucky. My question is; would an accesory numbered as 1 conflict with a loco called 1? If so unsure what to number them all. For reference I soldered pins 1 and 8 to the track and pins 2 and 7 were joined together and sent to the frog. Also 3D printed a 7mm thick ABS washer plate to fix the motors as the 9mm ply board was incompatible with the screws I had. Any help on the numbering greatly appreciated.

That was quick responce! Thanks. And FFS! How easy. Bone head mode initiated. Wasn't obvious though. Was pressing n holding and looking through menus.

Update. Basic track wiring on 1 board is done minus point motors. I have a chipped Bachmann 101 DMU that I tried with same address, struggled to get it to respond to Z21 control then when tried to reset the chip it tried to run away. Had to reset system, had a read about and after changing CV within CV29 to 2 figure addressing it wasn't a problem. Would rather 4 figure but called it 82 for now. Took around 20 minutes of faff but worked it out. Before I start adding Smail point motors I'd like to clean up the app and add 1 more loco once it's chipped. Please could someone tell us how to delete the loco's from the new app? All the roco default locos and the accidental duplicated one I want to get rid off as they are pointless. Doesn't seem to be a delete option anywhere. Seems awkward n pointless. Help!

Thanks. Used the grid as a guide. I don't own a tablet but could borrow one initially from folks as they both have one. I think now the track plan is likely done I feel more comfortable to maybe use the new app as the hard off put is mostly done. Z21, Smails and other bits have been delivered, just gotta wait for the solder n flux to arrive as I ran out.

The double slip issue was me being ignorant and selecting the wrong one, figured that today so not a bother now. Lesson learned! So you can route select with the app too, unsure how that is achieved currently but could be useful. Edit: found it. Thanks for replying.

Have battled on, quite a struggle yet we may be there, renumbered since. Generally I think it looks ok but a bit rough n dog legged. Any suggestions, thoughts etc? My thinking is get the trackplan dobe on the app before I start installing things.

Maybe but it still has the same functions for a phone so they must have designed it thus somewhere. Not optimal agreed.