Scott B

March 1983 skirtless (Dave Jolly)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hoover29/8757980063/in/photolist-ekUWmg-pFEaDV-2mkgcFR-2m7PTna-2hojMKL-eWdMV5-tHbLso-2igm1cQ-2ioeQag-r46QcD-2jboJz5-LtB51x-KDuMFm-787Jav-DpTdTf-LqZeXm-KDuM2q-dLk6iW-La5TGo-24NC5XJ-f4KDRP-k8R42J-bo5ibd-b8f1TZ-eeYGn5-2kAHjeA-2ahgYyK-2kAfFwj-CuNEhB-dnvMFU-f4KDSt-CN8tTa-de9gQC-LtB4gB-YyomCH-LtB3gv-2kqTkFx-LqZcFC-o9ZJuq-GRV3Nw-eee636-wp8QNn-LtB4NZ-nvZgjV-dQoT44-fyqaFT-Ywmie5-pe6YBa-J8Pnbf-2iLmYYS

By December 1984 it had at least had its headcode boxes painted black.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/52409131@N05/8682305829/in/photolist-eee636-wp8QNn-LtB4NZ-nvZgjV-dQoT44-fyqaFT-Ywmie5-pe6YBa-J8Pnbf-2iLmYYS-2kVcFcf-KchdzZ-LtB3Yx-2iJYHwj-dtEvBQ-fqVxY2-4kscro-b8Bqhv-de9gNE-b8BrZ8-dTtzjD-2emtPGf-fh9vT5-2m9oXQR-rskFv8-dNvWzH-aMaUXr-GT4Sfb-wBe32a-zkP3WY-MKtK67-9RwSs5-diNxBK-hXCbzH-5W3AQ8-MCnNnz-bPju76-n2g92F-dA4vFj-9HTP7j-ek8FZh-cADTj1-boo7R9-bCEQQY-zwiVoV-2bkTdSA-bEcSwY-2fWxiSc-HYRh1s-dKQpBK

HTH

Scott

4 hours ago, Revolution Ben said:

 

Redland/Lafarge PGAs also made it to Peak Forest though again, I am not sure of the dates (the photo below is from 2011) and the routes they operated.

 

cheers

 

Ben A.

They also ventured down the Hindlow branch to Briggs Sdgs. There is a picture out there in cyberspace but it eludes me at the moment to link it.

HTH

Scott

2 hours ago, stovepipe said:

He's saying the refurbished 105s were LMR allocated…however I’m not aware of any 105s being refurbished with white and blue livery.

Ahh, yes. Thanks and apologies to Bomag.

Likewise I am not aware of any 105s in White/Blue.

I seem to recall that the white & blue livery had something to do with Metropolitan PTE's back in the day ?

Maybe that is why Anglia escaped the livery as I doubt there were many PTE's out that way such as WMPTE, SYPTE, GMPTE etc although I think the Cambridge-Royston shuttles had white & blue examples of the 101s.

Are you sure they were all LMR allocated ? There were Norwich & Lincoln allocted 105s

Thanks Will, that be them :-)

Scott

1 hour ago, Revolution Mike said:

Great news! Really pleased to see these resurrected. 
 

For the thick/lazy amongst us which were the latest versions - I presume the Lafarge then the blanked out and white ones?

 

Cheers Mike

I would say you are spot on there Mike.

When these were first proposed Cav/Alex uploaded a historical train guide in two parts, pre & post privatisation complete with illustrations and dates, pretty much like Revolution used to do.

Maybe that could be made available somewhere  ?

8 hours ago, hmrspaul said:

Where are you looking? The ones without the band come half way down the flat of the side, which appears correct CM PG012 N (R) TP (A)  as https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/redlandpga/e39321089  Whereas the one pack that has the stripe has smaller Redland as CM PG012 N (OR) TP (A)  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/redlandpga/e207b1a5f

 

Paul

In the image linked previously in this thread (and here again below) the third wagon back is what I take to be the (standard) Redland livery which is available in packs CM PG012 N (R) TP A/B/C/D, the bracketed (R) being for Redland I assume, and either with or without the protection panel.

Product Description

Set of 3 Redland PGA 51T Hopper Wagons

The fourth, fifth and 6th wagons back are what I would assume to be the Larger Redland CM PG012 N (LR) TP A (the bracketed (LR) being for Large Redland I assume.

Product Description

Set of 3 Redland Large Logo PGA 51T Hopper Wagons

It is clear that this version, which I think first appeared early 1989, maybe  late 1988 ? have a larger Redland logo to me, as you would expect with a Large Logo Redland product description.

I do not believe you have any of these illustrated Paul as your collection predates these from what I have observed.

I hope that clears things up and I apologise for the lack of clarity previously, maybe it was not as obvious as I thought, or maybe I have it all wrong  and the Large Redland Logo is not what I thought it to be, ie the fouth, fifth and six wagons as per the illustration.

I was just trying to get things clearer for those with lesser knowledge of the liveries than myself, not that I am an officianado by any stretch of the imagination, but if i am correct, the larger logo is not depicted as such in the train pack illustration as to my eye it appears the same size as the normal Redlands.

1 hour ago, BR Blue said:

Great feedback 

Now enlarged upon, excuse the pun.

5 hours ago, RBE said:

Can you please expand on this?

On the illustrations for the packs it looks like the Redland logo is the same size as the packs of standard Redland logo. The larger logo does not appear any larger, at least to my eye.

The larger logo, being larger,  finishes further down the bodyside.

For those not overly familiar with the liveries (and there have been questions already) this fact does not appear to be depicted and people may not be familiar with what they are purchasing.

It looks as though the image for the larger logo Redland set may be incorrect ?

54 minutes ago, Mike Harvey said:

Was the dark stripe a way of concealiing the ugly marks on the hopper side when the wagons were moved through the unloading house by horizontal rubber-tyred wheels? Seem to remember that Wolverton was like that and probably several others.

Not so sure about that Mike as the wagons were painted with the mid grey stripe from new(ish). There are many images on the web that show the mixed rakes with the all green versions that came later in their lives.

Back in 1980/81 they operated as a uniform rake with grey stripes behind 2x25 or 45s.

I was in for a rake or two of these when first proposed and spoke to Alex at some show or other about them.

They are going to cost more through Rails but my support will be there for sure.

1 hour ago, 03060 said:

 

 

Glad the link was liked, I was actually looking for a much later clip of two 47s at Rhu with a Network Rail yellow engineers ....

 

 

Well the 47's weren't far away judging by the sound dubbing of the 37 leaving Ft Bill and crossing through the gates at Morar LOL

Scott

3 hours ago, Revolution Ben said:

 

Hi Justin

 

The Acton-Purfleet train was my go-to for action east of London. 

 

 

Harlow Mill was/is another

Scott

2 hours ago, 87023Velocity said:

Order placed for 59104 along with a pair of YLAs. Now sat in garden thinking of a layout based around class 59s, class 56s and HSTs!

 

Cheers

 

Simon

Somewhere on the Berks & Hants  or mybe that is a bit obvious ;-)

Scott

16 minutes ago, Steven B said:

 

There's no doubt that batch production has its advantages - multiple running numbers for example. However, is 5+ years not enough to build up demand for Mk2a TSO or Mk1 SK?

 

I find it interesting that a 3-4 year gap is sufficient for Revolution Trains to consider a second run of Pendolino, yet Farish can't do the same with bread-and-butter Mk1 and Mk2s. I struggle to understand how we've got from regular re-runs of every day models to occasional odd-balls (white roof Intercity BCK for example). I appreciate there's been a global recession, a major pandemic and a relaunched Thomas range, but why not let existing tooling earn some cash?

 

Steven B.

 

I couldn't agree more Steven,.

The re-runs used to be much more frequent.

Demand for the Mk2a TSO in Blue/Grey is there as they are current going for £70+ on a certain auction site.

Although I am not currently requiring any of them there are other Blue/Grey coach variants I am after and they too are not currently available and are going for silly prices.

Scott

41 minutes ago, fezza said:

Back in c1995-7 I modelled the Midland Main line and could buy Farish HSTs, 47s, 25s, 31s with MK1, 2, 2d coaches all in blue grey as stock items from my local model shop. Some were a bit old but still available. Try doing that now...

What, the Midland Main line without any 45's !!

Although to be fair, you do not specify what year, but with 25's I must be in the ball park.

As has been mentioned, this game is all about accumulation over a number of years, although that timeframe is ever increasing and we still await that elusive sealed beam class 45.

Scott

The 40 has gone up by a tenner as well, which if just for plastic, put against a 3 car DMU is rather steep seeing as you are using less material.

Scott

3 hours ago, acg5324 said:

Good point....No idea John....the current occupants of the six shops are mainly restaurants with a chemist, and a shop selling food and wine. I guess licensing laws have changed a lot since the 1970/80s. I remember being sent to the local pub when I was about 10 or 11 ( The Hikers Rest in Coldean Lane ) to get a bottle of stout or brown ale if my mum needed it for cooking. They had an off license door that got you to the back of the main bar.

When I lived in Wood Green back in the 80s there were two off licences in close proximity to a pub. One literally next door, the other on the opposite site of the street. Numerous foody takeaways as well.

Scott

On 30/03/2021 at 13:46, Steven B said:

Premier Transport at Exeter received cars from Garston with Cartic-4 being used to transport the cars - usually one or two Silcock orange sets.

 

6B19/6C46 (Exeter Riverside to Newport Alexandra Dock Junction) and 6B97 (Tavistock Junction to Gloucester New Yard) both regularly included Cartic-4 wagons.  Other common wagons in the rakes included Hold-all ferry vans (Revolution), OCA (Farish), VGA (Farish), VAA/VDA, HEA (Farish), bogie Polybulk (Farish) and PBA Clay-Tigers.

 

https://flic.kr/p/RHqByE

https://flic.kr/p/2iZ8P9p

https://flic.kr/p/NDY8E4

https://flic.kr/p/2k32Wvz

 

I'm sure I read somewhere that Kernow were scaling their PBA to N Gauge (although only in the later blue livery?) which just leaves the HEA and 20' 9" WB vans to be upgraded to current standards!

 

Steven B.

 

 

 

 

On the same Speedlink theme, the S&C orange sets used to appear on Whitemoor-Norwich SLK trips as well, usually just a single set of 4. They were also seen under repair at March Marcroft.

I will certainly be in for a pair of these, one loaded one empty, as well as some blue ones. Wallet getting ready for a pounding.

Scott

22 hours ago, Ben A said:

 

Hi all,

 

Apologies for maintaining the thread drift, albeit briefly, but the JIAs offered by EFE Rail are shrunk down versions of the same wagons produced by Kernow in 00, of the more recent type. 

However, Kernow have also produced the *original* clay tigers in 00 and I would be stunned if they are not shrunk down to N fairly soon in due course - especially if the already announced JIAs are a success.

 

I am certainly after some of the modern types, but I would also be very tempted with the originals, though probably in the later blue livery.

 

cheers

 

Ben A.  

Certinly cannot argue and I would agree with your logic Ben :-)

Scott

Those Imerys JNAs were never white, they arrived new in blue as replacements/additions to the earlier PBA Clay Tigers, which as far as I know have still never been produced either in original white or Tiphook blue.

As such, I suspect that it is these white clay tigers that Western Aviator is yearning rather than these later wagons.

Or then I could have it completely wrong LOL

Regards

Scott

9 hours ago, Robert Shrives said:

Thanks Ben, in answer :

Nissan red 526 as an orangy red having looked at phots on Pauls site and Flikr - given all the risks associated with old photos and perceptions on scale colour the grey side panels - which I guess were unpainted stainless looking at the weathering is Ford Polar grey - both Halford Rattle cans, all on  Halford grey primer.  The rail blue is from Ricolett paints in MK as BR 114 blue and matches the Dapol Western/ class 22 - also seen at work without rail blue era staff getting frothy, so that does for me !!    

Off to consider how to make up a  handrail chain for the upper decks on the blue one.

They look good Robert. I still have two of the blue sets to build to add to my existing three. I foolishly didnt aquire any of the Silcock ones at the time.

The orange looks like a fairly good resemblence of a weathered example to me although from seeing them many times on the WCML my memory is telling me that when cleaner they were more orangy.

Regards

Scott

3 hours ago, 1977joey said:

 

I’d really love either manufacturer to do another first generation passenger DMU & hold my breath at each new announcement. Considering the massive choice now available in OO gauge & the extensive use of them in the BR era, The 101, 108 by Farish & the bubbles by Dapol are great models, but something else to widen the variety on offer here in N gauge would be fantastic, especially the longer frame DMU...

 

Cheers,

Mark

Here, here to that.

Have been waiting seemingly forever for the Cravens 105 to get shrunk.

'Tis a work of art !

Scott

3 hours ago, mallaig1983 said:

I’m inclined to agree with Matt on this. It does look like a BDA to my eye. Faded RF livery but I am colour blind.

Andy 

Another vote for said BDA in faded railfreight red.

Scott