Scott B

I am about to weather & load 3 of the Redland PGA's and weather 3 of the Lafarge PGA's and was wondering if someone could help me with the shape of the loads in these wagons.

 

I am assuming, rightly or wrongly, that the loading process was done on a 1/2 & 1/2 basis per wagon and therefore 2 peaks would be present on each load, or was it the case that these were centrally loaded so only 1 peak is required in the centre of the load.

 

I am assuming that the cross support in the centre of the wagon lends itself to suggest the 1/2 & 1/2 loading procedure, otherwise this would become very battered very quickly during the loading process. Also would this cross support bar always be exposed or was it often covered when loaded?

 

I have enough photo's for weathering purposes but 99.9% of these are from trackside and don't show the load characteristics. Also the coloration of the load is another point to consider. How many differing types of product did these PGA's carry and did it all emanate from the same source, Mountsorrel.

 

Any info concerning loading and the product carried would be very helpful.

 

Many thanks

 

Paul W

This video may assist with the various "humps" in the wagons.

Regards

Scott

Will keep this brief as I could go on for ages.

Early 80s up to the 31/4's commencing Mk1s prevailed. Once the 31/4s began to work in around 1983 Mk2Zs were the norm although the was usually a Mk1 in the rake.

Most types of Mk2 have seen use but you are safe with the current Mk2s produces by Farish although there is no BFK available, most rakes ran with a BSO & a declassified BFK.

The BFK conversion is not difficult.

The Cambridge-Bham rake and the Peterborough-Harwichs were generally load 4.

There are plenty of pics out there if you search Flickr or the like.

As mentioned 25s were occasional performers if short or following failures, although March tended to rip them off and replace with a 31.

45s and 47s were not uncommon replacements either.

HTH

Scott

I travelled from Whittlesea to Ely on the train last week and I have to say that March station looked a disgrace. Half of it was abandoned (and it showed) and the other half looked tired and unloved.

Really !!!!

Whilst I would totally agree that the abandoned half (the joint line platforms) look derelict the part of the station that is still used looks in fine nick for an old station.

The friends of March station do a great keeping things tidy hanging baskets etc etc and the paint job is fairly recent.

It aint ever gonna be a St Pancras International but I think it a tad unfair to describe an aging building as unloved (at least the still used parts of it)

I little teaser of some of the sample detail work underneath before the running gear was added.

 

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Superb. Fantastic job on this guys.

PS, when is the shrink ray booked for ;-)

Scott

Alongside weathering 90028, I have also made a start on weathering the 27 MGR wagons which feature on Dallam. As with all MGR wagons made by either Farish, Hornby or Peco, they are usually finished in ex works silver which after a few weeks on the mgr circuit soon turned a grey colour.

Here is progress so far on a HFA. The wagon was taken apart and the main body painted in a hand mixed dark grey matt enamel wash and allowed to dry. The frame was also painted the same but this was then wiped over with a cotton bud dipped in thinners.

The underframe has not been started yet.

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Here is a comparison. My attempt on left, Farish factory weathering middle and clean right.

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Cheers

 

Simon

Top job on that

Scott

I've managed to get the 2 coats of acrylics finished and the paint dried, so here's some pics.

 

The setts are almost completed, only a small section remains at the end of the shed. The sheets are still just sat in place - I'll probably put a few dots of superglue at various points to hold them in place tomorrow.

 

Apologies for a lack of sharpness in places. One of the florries has worn out, so it's a little darker than usual and my depth of field is reduced.

 

Some more static grass tomorrow...

 

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Jeff

Top job Jeff, looking good.

Scott

47018 in Railfreight livery is of interest to me as it was a Haymarket loco, and being re-painted at the back end of 1986 just about fits into my 1980-86 modelling period! Great that it will be sound-ready too.

I do have a bit of a dilemma as I re-numbered one of my many blue examples to 47018, so can't really have a doppelganger running about on the layout at the same time   (might make the controller explode!  ). I think that may be re-numbered to 017 which survived in blue quite some time.

 

The "Dutch" livery ZKVs may be of interest, although probably need some holes cut in the side to be prototypical PW wagons (this was to prevent overloading of spoil).

 

Of course - dependent on sales - re-liveries may well be on the cards, as Bachmann don't tend to set everything in stone for the entire year ahead. A blue livery disc-headcode 40 might well be on the cards, or perhaps a green split-headcode model at some point I reckon, as the model seems very popular.

 

A bit disappointing that a later bodywork 25 is still not on the cards. Maybe they are waiting to re-tool the chassis for sound too in the long-run?

Cheers

Paul

Before you go renumbering your fleet Mr PJ, I stand to be corrected, but wasn't 47018 a Haymarket loco before entering works, whereupon after gaining Railfreight livery and emerging it went to Eastfield. Carried ploughs for a while as well I believe.

Regards

Scott

Opening/original posting.

Thanks

Scott

Images and Works Report now added to OP.

Any one able to advise what OP is please ?

Thx

Scott

Still no class 105 Cravens !!!

Scott

Why hasn't 40 159 got orange jumper cables like the others have?

Because at the time it is portrayed as the model its multiple working equipment was removed.

The jumpers should be in the bag of bits for those that wish to renumber or backdate to when it did have multiple working fitted.

HTH

Scott

Fly ash -

 

Presumably if the ash is wetted down, it won't fly away as the train speeds along, so maybe you ought to aim for a wet, but not sludgy, look.

 

And if it's too dry, and some ash blows off the top along the way, well sure, isn't that cheaper than paying to put a full load into a landfill at the far end? I wonder how much lighter the train would have been by the end of its journey.

 

Alan

From memory the ash was not wetted. The stuff was used in the construction of the A55 dual carriageway so they would also have wanted as much to have arrived as possible rather than trying to save on cost per ton to dump it.

Selection of the hoppers may have revolved around the fairly rapid discharge at the terminal. 

Regards

Scott

I think you may have dreamt that, in N Gauge at least. 

 

RevolutioN are doing the PFA/KFA container flat, thinking of that one perhaps?

 

Tom. 

Yeah, agreed. But let's hope the dream comes true.

Scott

Fair comment Scott, and the solution isn't what I would have preferred. With another 2 feet to play with the bank could have swung around naturally without the need to put a low relief front piece in.

 

If anyone has a better solution I would like to hear it. And NO, I'm not a painter, so the photographic backscene is non-negotiable.

 

Jeff

A bit more walling Jeff along the trackside with the backscene then in behind the wall.

Scott

That would be the Royal Scotsman.

Today en route to Boat of Garten 

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P93238/2017/06/21/advanced

Scott

Not sure If I have posted this before but I thought this might be of interest. At 8:42 there is a BR blue 47 on HEAs which also has a rake of Redland PGAs, I presume that the train may have been mixed at March for a return journey north making use of the one working. Any ideas?

 

https://youtu.be/s0R56FyO1MI?t=8m42s

 

And then at 23:34 there is a pair of 20s

 

https://youtu.be/s0R56FyO1MI?t=23m34s

 

interesting that in July 1988 there were still some PGAs wearing the original Redland livery. This was a topic of conversation on Saturday at DEMU, when the wagons were all in the later all over green livery minus the grey stripe.

Bit of a guess here, but I would suspect that one of the two portions that would have been combined in March Down Yard to run to Mountsorrel was running late and the opportunity was taken to add the on time emptys to a SCN train returning to Toton.

The hoppers could then have been deposited in Mountsorrel sdgs en route for loading more or less to time (or maybe even early) with only a proportion arriving late back at Mountsorrel.

These hoppers worked fairly intensive circuits and late loading would delay the next outbound and if an opportunity existed to get them back to Mountsorrel earlier it would have been taken.

The 20s back in 1988 would be more likely to have been the portion locos forward of March to Kennett or Barham with the main loco (a 56) going to Trowse, so maybe the 56 failed resulting in the late running ?

As regards the being tempted by an N gauge version, oh yes, cheque book/credit cards at the ready, bring em on.

Regards

Scott

Cavalex Models are pleased to announce that we have achieved our target level for pre-orders and delighted to advise that our PGA wagon project will now be moving forward to the tooling stage.

 

Thank you to everyone that has supported this project.

Excellent news. Get your cash out OOers so us N gaugers can have a chance at them :-)

So, to get into the depot, all you have to do is climb up the chain link fence, lay your coat over the angled barbed wire and drop painlessly inside?

Or do you mean they are to stop staff escaping?!

 

Mike.

If that is what you want to do yes, but it is the right way round in I would have thought 99% of the cases it is used at.

I would be interested to see any angled barbed wire overhanging the pavement.

MOD locations use double angled, one in each direction.

Scott

Very nice, but, aren't the posts on that chain link fencing the wrong way round, or are you stopping the staff escaping!

 

Mike.

I would say they are most definitely the right way round.

Great job on the extension, look forward to seeing the layout in its new formation.

Scott

Ok you got me before you added to KPA to the picture! i'll go for a few Redlands to mix up my rake. I was debating altering some of my older PGAs to look like these anyway. (I really must get on with my KPA conversions, got as far as transfer artwork but no further)

 

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Of course, us n gaugers already have a lovely kit available from the NGS for the KPA, so I just need the n gauge PGAs now, please, pretty please. :-)

Scott

Never mind the walls, wait until you see how I'm planning to build the goods shed in 2017!

 

As for steam locos, well I hope there'll be something re-gauged in the future. I'd like at least one 9F and Black 5 available for "play". At the moment, it's all new to me, so until Uncle Jason comes up to get me started then I'll be entirely reliant on "RTR" - and the SLWs aren't a bad start.

 

As I said in my last post, I'm chuffed with the result of the track changes as I think it looks a lot better than the previous effort.

 

Jeff

Will be interested to see how you make your brick moulds Jeff ;-)

Scott

Cheers Don. I can't comment on newer Cobalts - mine date from 2013 - but the most of the ones I'm using seem happy to switch at 7V. The occasional one "digs its heels in" and needs a 12V kick to get moving.

 

And don't get me started on the "clickers". I've a pile of half a dozen clickers and a couple of " stickers" have gone in the bin. I do like Cobalts but some of the initial claims about how faultless they are were just rubbish.

 

KL had 40 turnouts, each with a Cobalt. KL2 has 25 Cobalts and I've 3 reliable spares....

 

Jeff

Why in the bin Jeff, that is madness even if only 2.

They have a warranty and it is honoured.

The earlier ones did occasionally click, mine were replaced no bother at all, direct from Oz. The new IP ones are a different class and I believe there is now a UK presence as well.

Get in contact with DCC supplies my man, even if you end up with a pile of spares.

Things looking good on KL2

Scott

Looks like the Capital Connection train packs have arrived (in some shops at least). From the photos on Rails' site it looks to me like the loco is in the correct, lighter shade of blue, complete with Stratford's Cockney sparrow logo. As for the coaches, all three look to be the same darker colour as the previous Mk2s but they're in a separate photo from the loco so it's hard to compare directly. Still, it's only the loco I want so I'm not that worried about the coaches.

Got mine and the coaches are in the original lighter blue as per the loco. Very nice they are too.

Scott

Hi ND, I am not sure about that! Being totally honest, I am sure that Bachmann will have it in their plans to release a KPA wagon in the future.

For N gauge, the Tiphook hopper is already available as an N Gauge Society kit if I recall correctly

Scott

Hi there,

 

Nice project. I think there'd definitely be interest in these wagons in N too. Good luck.

 

Cheers

 

Ben A.

Agreed Ben.

Work on converting two rakes is now suspended here. What chance these and the ex Tilbury versions in N in the future ?

Scott