Russell Saxton

Im pretty certain its D60 Lytham St Annes and is blue. Ive seen that shot and others taken on the day a few times.

Further update 193 NOT economy green. I have amended my post.

Update. My photo of 188 GFYE is dated 13/8/69. Very nice fully lined out green!

Ive got a photo of it, do you want to send it off list?

Still green on jan 1st 1970 peakwise were 1-3,5-10, 119 (in works) 138/41/6/7/54-7/9/63/5/6/82/8/9/93, Possibly 168 Im a bit vaguer as to 1/1/69 but definitely green were 1-3/5-10, 26/30/1/39/42/72/84/98/100/2/19/30/1/6, 138/41/6/7/54-7/9/63/5/6/8/82/8/9/93, a mix of economy and lined greens. All the 46s not listed above were blue FYE but Im vaguer on the 45s, there are one or two that may have been green in 69 such as 25 which may have been FYE and 78 which was green in November 68 and unreported till late 1969 as blue. Some 45s retained early blue SYP in 1969 including 50 and 133 at least.

Dont ask me! The stuff ive found out since started researching liveries amazes me. Like why put D6319 through a full classified overhaul and repaint it blue, then withdraw and scrap it three months later? Why did so many 33s not get any yellow ends at all till 1967/8? Why have 20s with FYE one end and SYP the other? Why, if FYE was mandatory from 1967 did 7600/59 escape it till Feb 1974? It really is a fascinating topic. well, to me anyway....

Yep, well, nearly. It was reported as having them in October 1969 Railway Observer and I have a sighting report of it 27 Sept 1969 so the likely date is August 1969. You have to assume that it was immediately reported to the RO of course and it may have been running around like it for months but thats unlikely as my correspondent says it wasnt a cop that day but was the first sighting of it GFYE. And apart from 166 reported in the RO same issue no 46 precedes it as GFYE It was recorded ex works blue on 19 Aug 1970 so didnt run long GFYE, probably less than a year. This is the gen I have for dates of GFYE for the few 46s that had it. There were many green locos with panels into 1971 and 147/63/5 lasted into 1972, 165 was lined. 138 Green SYP 30/1/71 FYE by 22/2/71 In works Dec 71 blue by 1/2/72 154 SYP 2/3/71 and FYE 19/3/71 so March 71! 155 SYP 16/1/71 FYE 13/3/71 159 SYP 30/1/71 GFYE 10/4/71 still GFYE 18/12/71 Blue-dunno! reported RO July 72 so sometime between December 71-May 72. 166 syp 21/6/69 reported FYE RO Oct 69 still GFYE 18/7/70 blue ex works 16/10/70 188 First 27/9/69 blue by 19/8/70 193 First 15/1/70 still GFYE 2/10/70 blue by 22/12/70 Incidentally 146 I can confirm was NOT economy but just had its stripe painted out.

DMUs sadly not-it is an interest of mine but there's only so much time available! We did get a list of all known variations on the old forum, collated by Geoff Endacott-cheers, Geoff. Liveries Summary: Lined green with no yellow panel: (list needed) Lined green with small yellow panel: All 1 ??“ 193. Blue with full yellow ends: All 1 ??“ 193. Economy green: 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 25, 34, 36, 42, 63, 66, 72, 78, 84, 93, 98, 102, 123, 125, 145, 147, 156, 159, 163, 166 and others. Early blue: 47, 50, 51, 52, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 61, 64, 71, 79, 91, 92 101, 105, 109, 113, 114, 116, 133, 135. Green (either version) with full yellow ends: 1, 3, 6, 10, 25, 26, 100, 138, 154, 155, 159, 166, 188, 193. Blue full yellow ends with no logo: 24, 83. Unknown: 20, 23, 29, 31, 32, 85, 87, 90, 116, 120, 126, 130, 134, 146. Updated to 20,23,29,31,32,85,87,90, 120, 126, 130, 134, 146 all Lined Green to Standard Blue 116 - Early Blue I should add that 6 and 7 according to Sean Greenslade who recorded both at Toton 26/6/71 had the white line painted out (6 poss on one side only) and therefore may not be kosher economy greens. Some doubt over 146 as there is at least one shot of it that appears to have no stripe. I must also stress that 25 GFYE is known only from one photo and its JUST possible it was early blue but if so it is a new find anyway and Im confident in saying it was GFYE, 26 is known from ONE sighting report on jan 2 1969 but I think 100% accurate and 100 I saw myself-all the evidence says I am mistaken but I KNOW I saw it!! I even remember it had the secondmans window recently replaced and unpainted.

It's new to me. I was aware of 155 GFYE but there are few photos of it as there are with any of the class. This one acquired the full yellow ends between January and March 1971 and was repainted blue on September 9th that year, dating this shot to a few months between March and July/August as it would have gone into works. If anyone has any shots of GFYE peaks I'd be delighted to see the links or your original scans, especially of any 45s as I think there is just one published shot of such a variation.

On the old forum we had a long and very interesting discussion re peak liveries and I opined that the last few green 45s were all gathered in Derby Works by early November 1969 and I said I didn't think any lasted in green into the 70s. The last few were 39, 42, 84,98,119, 131 and 136 BTW. I have ascertained the repaint dates for 84,98 and 131 which were as I thought all in Nov/Dec 69 but 119 it appears retained green until 13 February 1970 just prior to outshopping. Unless any of the others outlasted it that makes it the last green 45, albeit inside the works which means I dont know which of the above was the last to run in traffic. 42 I have no record of as blue till 21 March 1970 but it may have been released before xmas 1969 of course which is likely as it was in primer in November. It should be added that all the 44s bar D4 and several 46s were still green in Jan 1970. Hope this is of interest.

Its been mentioned but the harwich-manchester boat train had one in the consist many times in 1976, I didnt take the number but saw it many times between April and october.

Incoming....

I cant attach it, is there an email i can send it to? PM me if you want with it.

Theres a track plan of Manchester Victoria in railway magazine feb 1969. I can scan it for you?