leopardml2341 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Hello folks, can anyone point me in the direction of drawing and pics for these as rebuilt to the condition that saw them into the b/g era. Underframe and roof details especially helpful. I've already done the usual interweb searches and on here as well, but if there are other sources hiding away I'd appreciate the help. Thanks in anticipation. Edited November 29, 2015 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I presume you are aware that 1706 is restored and in regular service on the Llangollen Railway. Sounds like a good excuse for a day out to N.Wales armed with camera and tape measure! Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Southern pride models offer etch brass sides to fit on to Bachmann 63' corridor stock or a complete kit can be made with parts from comet mjt and the fore mentioned southern pride sides I seem to recall that instructions were reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted November 29, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2015 A pic of mine taken at Llangollen September 2015 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted November 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2015 Isinglass Models drawing no 278 is of these coaches, although not having one myself I'm not sure whether it shows details of the alterations when the cars were rebuilt or not: http://www.isinglass-models.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 MetroLand; Thanks for PIC, but the group at Llangollen have re-rebuilt it if you see what I mean, back to original condition. 31A; Thanks too, I am told the drawing is of the original build for the Flying Scotsman sets of the late 40's & 50's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted November 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2015 Oh well, that's an answer for me then, in that case! I've been thinking of building one of these for a while, using the Southern Pride sides David mentioned. There's a picture showing the kitchen side of E1705E taken in 1967, in 'LNER Carriages' by Michael Harris. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 I tried to post this earlier, but it appears that I was unsuccessful. Is there something weird going on with RMweb at the moment? Davidw and Marshall5; I didn't intentionally not thank you too, I couldn't see your posts last night but could earlier today. Steve (31A); My project will use cut and shut Tri-ang Hornby sides and Comet underframes, ends and fittings - just short on a drawing or datum measurements for mi cut and shut and u/f and roof detail. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) I believe I may have posted this picture before but in case it has disappeared, here it is again! E1706E at Stratford September 1966. Image reinstated again on 6/12/2022 Edited December 6, 2022 by BrushVeteran Image disappeared during system crash 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Thanks BrushVeteran for the PIC. That one's already on mi file Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Presumably you have searched the sites which include departmental coaches. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnercoach/e491bdd54 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Presumably you have searched the sites which include departmental coaches. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnercoach/e491bdd54 Paul No, I hadn't thought of that, two new ones to me there, thanks Paul. Would really like to find a broadside view of underframe details. Edit: Mind you, I expect that the underframes remained the same after the bodywork alterations so the Isinglass drawing mentioned earlier may still be valid? Edited November 30, 2015 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 No, I hadn't thought of that, two new ones to me there, thanks Paul. Would really like to find a broadside view of underframe details. Edit: Mind you, I expect that the underframes remained the same after the bodywork alterations so the Isinglass drawing mentioned earlier may still be valid? Having looked at the departmental site I am surprised mine is the only photograph, and there are very few mentions of it having been seen. It must have been well hidden somewhere. Leeman Road yard was one that enthusiasts for such items seem to have visited with some regularity in those far off happier times. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 E1705E by Hugh Llewelyn 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I was aware of these two (mentioned in the RCTS Coaching Stock book 1976 edition) but photos of them seem hard to come by, so thanks for posting. The window layout on this side looks very similar to the modifications carried out on the late-surviving Gresley buffet cars (but without all that beading!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 A pre-restoration shot might be of interest : - Llangollen ; 30/12/86 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 There used to be a good page on the old Llangollen Railway members website about the restoration. Alas now gone. It's now at Embsay. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 E1705E Norwich 1975 by Mr Western E1706E 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted November 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Notice the sight difference in the small kitchen window next to the door. That on 1705 goes right up to the cantrail with evidence of plating below the window. That on 1706 looks altogether neater. Edited November 2, 2022 by keefer 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Slight difference in the positioning of 'Buffet' too...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 30/11/2015 at 22:21, leopardml2341 said: Mind you, I expect that the underframes remained the same after the bodywork alterations so the Isinglass drawing mentioned earlier may still be valid? Have just seen this as this thread has re-surfaced LNER Coaches (Harris) mentions that the BR re-building included conversion to propane cooking, so underframe bottle cabinets would have been added 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) On 09/11/2022 at 00:57, Ken.W said: Have just seen this as this thread has re-surfaced LNER Coaches (Harris) mentions that the BR re-building included conversion to propane cooking, so underframe bottle cabinets would have been added Worth pointing out too, that both vac cylinders are on the same (kitchen) side of the coach (as seen in various photos above), which appears different to the original build spec of the more conventional "diagonally opposite" arrangement. Here is my Bachmann cut & shut conversion of SC1705 in 1970s condition: As they've not been mentioned, there are a couple of photos on the Eastbank site too: http://www.eastbank.org.uk/images/Coaches/CS0227.jpg http://www.eastbank.org.uk/images/Coaches/CS0225.jpg Martyn. Edited December 1, 2022 by Signaller69 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted December 1, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2022 OT alert..... What speed were Gresley bogies allowed to run at? Were they permitted up to 100 mph behind a Deltic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 1, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, rodent279 said: OT alert..... What speed were Gresley bogies allowed to run at? Were they permitted up to 100 mph behind a Deltic? I think they were 90mph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 126 MPH behind a Mallard ! 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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