RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted December 17, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2009 For those interested in these wagons, some pictures are up on the Bachmann website http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60maniac Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 They look very nice thanks for the link Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted December 17, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2009 For those interested in these wagons, some pictures are up on the Bachmann website http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/ Both looking rather nice, will certainly take a set of 5 autoballasters (and once they do the earlier livery, some of the car carriers will have to be ordered as well!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 More lovely modern wagons! The amount of modern wagons at the mock up stage or in development is amazing! As well as these two we have OTA - Hornby Sea Urchin - Hornby MBA & MCA - Bachmann ( as well as dapols version) Silver Bullets - Dapol KTA & KQA - Dapol PBA - Dapol JIA - Dapol Mermaid - Flangeway Any more???!! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted December 17, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2009 MBA & MCA - Bachmann ( as well as dapols version) Bachmann are not doing the MCA - they are doing the MOA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 The opaque screens on the car carrier look very nicely done, i'd wondered how they would manage with that but the pic looks fairly positive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meld Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Bachmann are not doing the MCA - they are doing the MOA The MOA is a purpose built low gon type open rather than the MCA's which are cut down from MBA's The MOA has lots of little differences that make it worth doing to add to your fleet. It's a tad lower bodywise and has different end detail for a start Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Firstly sorry for coming into this thread slightly late... Good to see some progress on the Auto Ballasters, ive passed several sets of these on my way to and thro from Eastleigh and is certainly a model im looking quite foward to... Have to say, i wonder how barwell's MPV is coming along aswell ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shedmaster Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hi All, This excellent looking product is due to hit the shops soon, well, before Christmas anyway, and I am trying to find something out....... Originally, Bachmann were releasing the OUTER, INNER and OUTER GENERATOR versions. However, Hattons website now only lists the OUTER GENERATOR and INNER, with a rounded top profile. So........what is going on.........or should I just phone Hattons to ask ? Many Thanks, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted January 23, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hi Dave There are two distinct Autoballaster builds, each with their own idiosyncrasies. The (TOPS code) JJAs are those converted from former Tiphook hoppers. They all have Y25 bogies and buffers with conventional drawgear. When converted, some were built as Generator vehicles, others as Non-Generator vehicles. It so happens that some of the donor wagons had "flat-top" ends, where they'd been cut down to clear the loading gantry at a particular quarry. Cut down wagons were not chosen for conversion to generator cars, because there was nothing to fix the roof to. So for JJAs, there can be: (1) Generator, (2) Non Generator and (3) Non generator with cut down ends. This is the type Bachmann are doing, and certainly their website shows tooling for all three types. The vast majority are in Railtrack livery, though I believe some are still running around in dirty Carillion colours. When the JJA conversions proved a success, more Autoballasters were needed, and these were new built. These wagons are coded HQA and were designed as 5-unit sets comprising Generator-Inner-Inner-Inner-Outer. Only the Generators and the Outers have buffers and conventional drawgear at one end; coupling within the consist is by buckeye. Other spotting differences include different bogies, slightly different platform designs and smooth solebars. The HQAs are in Railtrack and Network Rail liveries. The N-Gauge Society kit covers both Autoballaster types, as well as the original Tiphook hoppers. cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shedmaster Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Hi Dave There are two distinct Autoballaster builds, each with their own idiosyncrasies. The (TOPS code) JJAs are those converted from former Tiphook hoppers. They all have Y25 bogies and buffers with conventional drawgear. When converted, some were built as Generator vehicles, others as Non-Generator vehicles. It so happens that some of the donor wagons had "flat-top" ends, where they'd been cut down to clear the loading gantry at a particular quarry. Cut down wagons were not chosen for conversion to generator cars, because there was nothing to fix the roof to. So for JJAs, there can be: (1) Generator, (2) Non Generator and (3) Non generator with cut down ends. This is the type Bachmann are doing, and certainly their website shows tooling for all three types. The vast majority are in Railtrack livery, though I believe some are still running around in dirty Carillion colours. When the JJA conversions proved a success, more Autoballasters were needed, and these were new built. These wagons are coded HQA and were designed as 5-unit sets comprising Generator-Inner-Inner-Inner-Outer. Only the Generators and the Outers have buffers and conventional drawgear at one end; coupling within the consist is by buckeye. Other spotting differences include different bogies, slightly different platform designs and smooth solebars. The HQAs are in Railtrack and Network Rail liveries. The N-Gauge Society kit covers both Autoballaster types, as well as the original Tiphook hoppers. cheers Ben A. Many Thanks for your detailed reply, Ben. Even though I drive trains full of these, I have to admit they all look the same to me, apart from being either yellow or beige livery, with or without generators ! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Dave, something to add to what Ben has said is that with the type Bachmann are modelling (JJA), the generator isn't neccesarily an outer. Because of the nature of the wagons all having screw links and buffers, they can be formed in any order. The set I'm modelling has the generator as the second wagon in the set, and I have also seen it as the centre on. I'd assume the change in models being offered is down to Bachmann changing from doing an HQA to a JJA. As Ben says, indeed 10 were built in Carillion livery (the first 10, originally GTRM livery) and as far as I know, all are still like it. They have become mixed up in the Railtrack liveried sets, indeed the set I'm modelling was formed as Carillion-Generator-Flat Top-Flat Top-Curved Top. I believe all the Carillions are curved top HTH cheers jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shedmaster Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Dave, something to add to what Ben has said is that with the type Bachmann are modelling (JJA), the generator isn't neccesarily an outer. Because of the nature of the wagons all having screw links and buffers, they can be formed in any order. The set I'm modelling has the generator as the second wagon in the set, and I have also seen it as the centre on. I'd assume the change in models being offered is down to Bachmann changing from doing an HQA to a JJA. As Ben says, indeed 10 were built in Carillion livery (the first 10, originally GTRM livery) and as far as I know, all are still like it. They have become mixed up in the Railtrack liveried sets, indeed the set I'm modelling was formed as Carillion-Generator-Flat Top-Flat Top-Curved Top. I believe all the Carillions are curved top HTH cheers jo Again, Thanks for the helpful reply.......I'd got into thinking that you had a 'Genny Outer/Inner/Inner/Inner/Normal Outer' as a set and that was cast in stone, so to speak. I've kept the tops list from the one I was driving the other day and would like to model, which was 66 119 and 5 x autoballasters, however, I'll have another look into the actual types of wagons these were, using the numbers AND Fotopic ! Hang on a minute.....did I just say I wanted a '66' on my layout ?...........no no no.......just AINT gonna happen...........will sub it for a 37 methinks !!! Modellers license etc etc.......... Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 In addition to what Ben posted, there were 2x more new 5x unit sets built for Metronet and wearing their lemony yellow livery, so a third livery exists for the HQA's - last I heard those were in store though. Some pics that might help with differences: JJA (standalone) - http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/c1387225.html HQA (5 unit sets) - http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/c1274142.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60maniac Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Again, Thanks for the helpful reply.......I'd got into thinking that you had a 'Genny Outer/Inner/Inner/Inner/Normal Outer' as a set and that was cast in stone, so to speak. I've kept the tops list from the one I was driving the other day and would like to model, which was 66 119 and 5 x autoballasters, however, I'll have another look into the actual types of wagons these were, using the numbers AND Fotopic ! Hang on a minute.....did I just say I wanted a '66' on my layout ?...........no no no.......just AINT gonna happen...........will sub it for a 37 methinks !!! Modellers license etc etc.......... Dave There were 37s hauling wagons similar if not JJAs on an engineers train down in wales in the past month or so they had 37425 at one end and DRS 37218?? on the other I suppose you get away with it that way or even a 60 on a wagon move?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Yep 37's will work, or 59's, or 60's - if you're in the South East then how about a pair of 73's... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted January 25, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2010 The two Metronet HQA sets were parked on Friday in the sidings opposite Hornsey depot - saw them on my way into London. There are quite a few Falcons there too, and usually two or more GBRf locos. I am not sure whether they are in store or simply resting - I think a lot of their work is at weekends on the tube network, though I could be wrong. cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shedmaster Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 All that YELLOW! Makes my eyes hurt whenever you go past Wellingborough or Hoo Junction !!! LoL........ I'm wondering now, if we know exactly whats going to be in Bachmanns catalogue for the next few years, without realising it.......different variation on these wagons maybe ? I know they get caned on forums such as this for 'poor products' shall we say, but wagon wise, they are pretty untouchable for quality I think. Just one last point I'd like to add, regarding Ben A's post above, that I think you're right, a lot of the workload for the LUL stuff is indeed at weekends/nights. Just because it is sitting in a yard, doesnt mean it's not 'working' or earning it's keep.......could just be in 'a position on a plan', so on its way somewhere or stabled en-route. The same as for Loco's. Something a certain ex-CEO would have done well to learn before sidelining rows and rows of perfectly capable Locomotives !!! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 If the Metronet pair are at Hornsey then they are back in use, that's one of Metronet's bases. I've not shot them yet so i'll try & check them out next time i'm in London. The last thing i'd heard of them was a year or so back when they were rounded up and taken back to Doncaster, so obviously they came back again! I'm wondering now, if we know exactly whats going to be in Bachmanns catalogue for the next few years, without realising it.......different variation on these wagons maybe ? If they have allowed for things like the different solebars and "knuckle only" headstocks on the HQAs then that would be nice. If variations have been allowed for it might also be possible to go the other way and do a Tiphook KPA. Don't think were in a position to say either way at the moment though. I'd have thought tan Carillion/GTRM JJAs were an obvious development on the same tooling even if not - and even if neither of those variations is allowed for in the tooling it's still likely to be a better starting place for a HQA or KPA than a big sheet of plasticard would be. I know they get caned on forums such as this for 'poor products' shall we say, but wagon wise, they are pretty untouchable for quality I think. I don't think they do a bad job overall, minus the odd slip - those tend towards annoyances rather than show-stoppers though, such as only providing one number at a time for "trainload" wagons or minor lettering errors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shedmaster Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 r.e.I've kept the tops list from the one I was driving the other day and would like to model, which was 66 119 and 5 x autoballasters, however, I'll have another look into the actual types of wagons these were, using the numbers AND Fotopic ! I was driving 'HQA's the other day.........won't stop me 'needing' some nice new Bachmann 'JJA's though ! Hoping to have a line ( known as the Cabbage patch ) passing my new Battersea Stewarts Lane layout, as per prototype, where I can have 'trains en route' photographed, so these will fit in nicely passing the depot. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Can't think who you mean Dave ? Not the chap with a newly knackered 67 named after him ? Anyway I guess the desire to buy /use imported locos started 1996 onwards.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted June 11, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 11, 2010 Picture of the new IPA Car Transporter now on http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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