branchie Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 So you'll be hoping for an 85 getting shrunk in the wash then. I can only hope! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Actually, there's me wishing for a new Class 33 but given the 'shrink from OO' policy I guess that's a non-starter. However, also given the above policy I have just one word: Presflos... *mops up drool* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Country Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Actually, there's me wishing for a new Class 33 but given the 'shrink from OO' policy I guess that's a non-starter. However, also given the above policy I have just one word: Presflos... *mops up drool* This policy doesn't seem to be applied universally , the class 14 being a case in point. So with a bit of luck Bachmann will still fill the bigger gaps in the range, like a modern-spec 33, even if they aren't planned for the OO range (My money is on Dapol doing the 33 as they're already promising a 26). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 This policy doesn't seem to be applied universally , the class 14 being a case in point. I believe that the class 14 may be a special case. According to what I heard, Bachmann were working on both the 00 and N gauge versions when Heljan announced theirs. Rather than try going head-to-head in the curent economic climate, Bachmann simply put the 00 version on the back burner and decided to release the N gauge one since it was pretty much ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Yes, I'm not sure if that's been confirmed but it was discussed at the time of the announcement and seems logical. It's not as if the N gauge market was crying out for a Class 14 and you could argue there were a few others that we may have expected to have gotten first (Class 33, 52, 55, off the top of my head). I'm not complaining about it because it broadens the appeal of the scale, it was just a surprise choice for a new model when you looked at the market as a whole. Actually, the Deltic is an interesting one now I come to think of it. The OO gauge model has been on the market for a few years now with no sign of it being shrunk (and who would have guessed that we'd get the prototype DP1 before the production model?!). I guess the old Farish one must still be selling well, except... it's gone from this years catalogue and now they've got a suitable chassis with the DP1. Hmmmm... Anyway... thread being churned into pure froth now I would have been happy with just the Mk Is for 2010 really, everything else is just a bonus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Weren't the production Deltics stretched a bit compared with DP1? Still if they adopt their usual chassis design there should have no problem producing a slightly longer one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanders Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Actually, there's me wishing for a new Class 33 but given the 'shrink from OO' policy I guess that's a non-starter. My money is on Dapol for a new 33 (& hopefully a 33/1) given they've already announced a 26. Having said that I don't think I need to rush my Farish 33/1 conversion I've had in a box for 12 months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Actually, the Deltic is an interesting one now I come to think of it. The OO gauge model has been on the market for a few years now with no sign of it being shrunk (and who would have guessed that we'd get the prototype DP1 before the production model?!). I guess the old Farish one must still be selling well, except... it's gone from this years catalogue and now they've got a suitable chassis with the DP1. Hmmmm... Unfortunately the prototype Deltic had both different bogie centres and wheelbase (assuming that the new model will be accurate in these respects). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Oh. Well at least my frothing has been nipped in the bud which can only be a good thing for this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Actually, the Deltic is an interesting one now I come to think of it. The OO gauge model has been on the market for a few years now with no sign of it being shrunk (and who would have guessed that we'd get the prototype DP1 before the production model?!). I guess the old Farish one must still be selling well, except... it's gone from this years catalogue and now they've got a suitable chassis with the DP1. Hmmmm... Chassis should be different between DP1 and Deltic production see http://clag.org.uk/wheelbase.html though the bogie centres would be rather similar in N. Presumably the NRM has paid off a lot of the costs for a DP1 project and sales must have been pretty good too. The Deltic model in 4mm just isn't in the same league of quality either at the moment. I think the class 14 project in N would have only kicked off after the 4mm one where it made more sense. The 08 seems to have been popular and now an 03 is coming too so maybe small diesel shunters are popular choices in N? Its amazing when I look at the old Farish 08 i've still got (minimum speed about 80mph!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvian Tennant Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 4MT, Black 5! Deltic Prototype in a train set!!!! I might suddenly get bored of oo gauge and be reconverted!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZmodeller Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Hi Everyone, Production deltic bogies were more or less interchangable with Class 37 and 50s so with the latest version of the 37 GF already have those frames and the relevant mechanism in place with only a minor tweak required for the driver's steps. The current version of the deltic features unsophisticated bogie frames that are neither representative or accurate, the bogie centres are wrong too and the clearance between them and the fuel tanks is too wide. The consequence is that some of the defining features of the deltic, the massive fuel tanks and very wide spaced bogies are not present with this model and that is the reason I personally am waiting in hope for a decent version. I can't imagine that will occur until the present models have done their dash as the retailers and with that in mind the DP1 release makes a lot of sense. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted March 27, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2010 The new Farish Mk.1s were on display at Ally Pally today and I have to say they look superb and every bit as good as their OO cousins. Fitted with seating and separate detail included etched mesh in the brakes, they are an order of magnitude better than the old ones. Apologies for the poor pics, but they were taken on the mobile camera. I think a charter rake of these will be in order! Tom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 A thought (and I'll admit now it's speculative) occurred to me the other day concerning the choice of prototype for the first new MK1s. The SK and CK are essentially the same body shell as is required for the TS and TC for a 4CEP. Perhaps this programme is going hand in hand with some of the ground work required to bring the 4CEP to N gauge..? Obviously underframe details, bogies and end details differ, but all things that can be accounted for in the production process. Another less "leading" reason could be that Bachmann have fresh CAD work for those two because of the OO 4CEP so those two would be "no brainers" in any case. Even if this doesn't mean we might see an N 4CEP sooner than we'd perhaps have thought, it will mean that nearly half of the work of producing an unrefurbished one yourself will have already been done I'm also wondering if this means we might see the improved underframes (with close coupling and NEM pockets) applied to future batches of the MK1 Pullmans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Have thought the same thing myself, specially with Dapol also committed to a Southern unit it would make sense to prepare ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 with Dapol also committed to a Southern unit it would make sense to prepare ahead. Not any more - Kernow have passed that mantle to Bachmann. Do we have any firm dates for when and how these are being introduced? They don't seem to be in the schedule as such or will they get "substituted in" for the existing SO, SK, CK and BSK models in future batches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Unfortunately Paddy, there are some differences between a loco hauled TSO and the one in a CEP, notably the end boxes for the jumpers, as well as the underframe as you say. If however, Bachmann have designed the ends to be interchagable, it might stack up, though I seem to remember reading that the CEP had fully new tooling sides in 4mm. Would certainly be interesting to see a slammer in though! Didn't Dapol say they were still doing the Thumper in N btw, despite the 4mm change? cheers jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudley Dodger Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 What i want to know is, where're the blue skinheads gone off to? I want me some bescot castles, but i can only find the horrible green ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Not any more - Kernow have passed that mantle to Bachmann. That's not the case, DapolDave confirmed in March that Dapol are still to produce the 205 in N, in fact it had been pushed up the priority list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 That's not the case, DapolDave confirmed in March that Dapol are still to produce the 205 in N, in fact it had been pushed up the priority list. In which case it's nice to be wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim H Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 It's not in blue lettering in the list above, nor headlined elsewhere, so probably just the old one. If they're going to do a refurbished 50 in small logo blue, they might at least choose one of the six that actually carried that livery after refurbishment. This will be the second time they've got it wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 It seems strange that they've not done the refurb livery; after all, the model was designed with that livery in mind and I'm sure the livery application would be quite a bit better than the old Poole paint job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim H Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 They did do Large Logo Blue (50004) and Railfreight (50149). Not done any of the four(!) different variants of NSE yet, although joined-up thinking would require them to do matching Mk1 stock at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriswrightmk Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 They did do Large Logo Blue (50004) and Railfreight (50149). Not done any of the four(!) different variants of NSE yet, although joined-up thinking would require them to do matching Mk1 stock at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriswrightmk Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Farish did 50002 _named Superb in NSE livery NSE coaches can be found secondhand but were Mk2d but were Mk2b windows. Ian Stoate produced correct underframe and Bernard Taylor various window configurations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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