Great Western Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Does anyone have any idea if the HEA and HAA vehicles are being progressed or have they been dropped ? There doesn't seem to be anything on the new forum that Dapol have developed, and I can't see an option to add a news thread on the correct section either. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic17 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Does anyone have any idea if the HEA and HAA vehicles are being progressed or have they been dropped ? There doesn't seem to be anything on the new forum that Dapol have developed, and I can't see an option to add a news thread on the correct section either. Cheers Still progressing (slowly) - I thought I read somewhere recently that they would be out by late 2016 - not too much longer - I want a rake of HEA's myself! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticfan Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Considering a rake myself but how many would constitute a rake, was thinking about 20 myself, any other ideas? Also heard a rumour Heljan are considering a 56 just to whet appetites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted June 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2016 I think for HAAs it's up to 36 for a 56, depending on loading/unloading facilities and route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Considering a rake myself but how many would constitute a rake, was thinking about 20 myself, any other ideas? Also heard a rumour Heljan are considering a 56 just to whet appetites. Whilst rake length was normally between 24 (trains via the Forth Bridge, IIRC) and 42 (long-distance workings to Didcot), there were some Speedlink services that conveyed a short rake (perhaps 10 wagons) of the HDA variant. These ran to various cement works in East Anglia, either from the East Midlands or from King's Lynn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticfan Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Twenty sounds expensive enough, anyway would be pleased to have the problem of choice, hurry up Dapol! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 HEA's could potentially be much shorter rakes as they were used for speedlink coal...I remember seeing this working on occasion as a kid and I recall seeing it this short a rake as well...58006 makes light work of a short 10:20 Didcot to Chessington speedlink coal service at Wimbledon. by Jeremy Gould, on Flickr58018 heads east through Reading with the 10:20 Didcot to Chessington South speedlink coal working. by Jeremy Gould, on FlickrThis is probably a bit more usual though...37199 accelerates south through Wimbledon with the 10:20 Didcot to Chessington South Speedlink coal. by Jeremy Gould, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Dapol O GAUGE HEA & HBA UPDATE: Dapol have posted an update regarding their O gauge HEA and HBA hoppers. Article link: https://www.Dapol.co.uk/O-Gauge-HBA-HEA-Update Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIQj8aKpRaY&feature=youtu.be 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Nice to see progress on these. Was there a HSA variant too for scrap metal that had the hopper doors welded shut? Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The first thing I noticed was that the leaf springs are bent the wrong way. This is a very useful wagon. There are lots more photos of them in shorter rakes than HAAs but what makes them even more useful is that they were more common for split destinations. I used to travel through Colchester Hythe regularly in the 80s & 90s. There was a private coal distribution depot there & varying number of HEAs would be dotted around the place, usually 1-5 but sometimes more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtybella Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 hours ago, birdseyecircus said: Nice to see progress on these. Was there a HSA variant too for scrap metal that had the hopper doors welded shut? Paul Yes doors welded shut for scrap moves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 What's the difference between the HBA and HEA? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adrian Stevenson Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 The HBA has a partial hood over the top to enable higher running speeds up to 60 mph as opposed to the uncovered HEA which run at 45 mph. Cheers, Ade. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Adrian Stevenson said: The HBA has a partial hood over the top to enable higher running speeds up to 60 mph as opposed to the uncovered HEA which run at 45 mph. Cheers, Ade. Sorry but you need to look at the reuse of TOPS codes! HBA was originally issued for the 1977 Shildon built manual discharge and had a 55 mph loaded speed and 45 mph empty! HEA was for resprung HBA to allow 70 mph running both empty and loaded leaving the HBA code free! HBA second use was for HDA merry go round hoppers (the ones 60 mph running) and to prevent blow off of load top skips/hoods were fitted and the wagons recoded! Mark Saunders 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtybella Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Weren’t the HSA the welded door scrap pool wagons? I really hope Dapol develop the chassis like the real vehicle with different bodies like the MEA etc. Although a nice little speedlink trip working or even a trunk job is in the offing with the vans as well. Credit where it is due, well done Dapol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 On 17/03/2021 at 10:28, Pete the Elaner said: The first thing I noticed was that the leaf springs are bent the wrong way. That is an odd comment. They look very like the HBA spring to me https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brhba/e329a64ff Paul PS HSA photos here https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/hsa 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, hmrspaul said: That is an odd comment. They look very like the HBA spring to me https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brhba/e329a64ff Paul PS HSA photos here https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/hsa That's interesting. I have never seen leaf springs on any vehicle in the shape of those in your HBA pic ... until now. Those in the HSA photo are curved in the conventional direction, but only just. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said: That's interesting. I have never seen leaf springs on any vehicle in the shape of those in your HBA pic ... until now. Those in the HSA photo are curved in the conventional direction, but only just. But all the HSA are converted after conversion of HBA to HEA, the spring is Bruninghaus, rather different to conventional leaf springs. I agree the HBA spring is unusual in how many leaves it has and must have been very stiff. As Mark mentions they were limited to 55/45 mph and therefore unsuitable for their role as part of the Speedlink fleet which is why they were resprung to become HEA. Mark explains why it was important to modify the TOPS code so that the speed restriction would be obvious, although the TOPS printout would indicate this. Springs will always vary in appearance depending on whether loaded or unloaded. Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 There are also the experimental suspension one! one with English Steel pedestal, one Gloucester pedestal and one with the long links vertical rather than 45 degrees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted August 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2021 https://www.Dapol.co.uk/O-Gauge-HBA-HEA-Hopper-EP-Samples-Under-Review 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Hal Nail said: https://www.Dapol.co.uk/O-Gauge-HBA-HEA-Hopper-EP-Samples-Under-Review Prototype photos, including dates, of all 8 wagons are in https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brhba. Nice to see both ladder variants are to be modelled. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2021 Adrian posted images in the 66 thread if you click above. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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