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Well done Mr Klein, an 8750 is on my list of locos for Pencarrow and this will save me from the torture of trying to build another GWR pannier kit. I'm certainly not going to look a gift horse in the mouth, particularly one with a track record of delivering quality RTR on time and to a decent price.

 

Think I will have to phone you later...

 

4666 - so BR black, late crest, top feed and welded tanks.

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Can VAT be taken off for overseas orders ?

 

Thanks

 

Roger

We are not yet registered for VAT,  but expect to do so by the time the models are available. When that happens we will probably offer free carriage in lieu of VAT for non-EU customers. This will be a heavy loco, about 1.1kg like the Viictory, so any VAT saving would be absorbed by the outrageous cost of carriage to foreign climes. We will advise in due course.

 

Regards,

 

Chris

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Anyone else having problems accessing the Minerva website ?

Website is working as I have just tried it on three devices.

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Choosing might be easier if you could provide drawings / CADs to show what the differences are in the offered versions.

 

BTW - I asked about LT livery at Telford...  which form do I use for that version?

JUst send us a note for the time being. We haven't decided when to do the LT version.

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The order forms outline the basic variations - top feed or not, rivetted tanks or welded etc. You can have any colour you want so long as it's black :D ;)

Fine...  can you explain the difference in the injector pipework?

 

Please.

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 I did mine via Email

As a result of ordering panniers your SWMBO now thinks that you are going green by using the push bike to go shopping - you know, one pannier each side  :scratchhead: .

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Website is working as I have just tried it on three devices.

Not so.

 

The URL in your signature starts http:// and if I click on the link then there is a protocol failure as per:-

 

Safari can’t open the page “https://www.minervamodelrailways.co.uk/”because Safari can’t establish a secure connection to the server “www.minervamodelrailways.co.uk”

 

Using an Apple Macbook.

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Not so.

 

The URL in your signature starts http:// and if I click on the link then there is a protocol failure as per:-

 

Safari can’t open the page “http://www.minervamodelrailways.co.uk/”because Safari can’t establish a secure connection to the server “www.minervamodelrailways.co.uk”

 

Using an Apple Macbook.

Thanks for reporting this.

 

The address starting https takes us straight to a 404 error, but http only seems to work without a problem.

 

We will get on to this and see if we can eliminate the error code, but if you just use www.minervamodelrailways.co.uk for now, that should give you full access.

 

Thanks again

 

Chris

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Not so.

 

The URL in your signature starts http:// and if I click on the link then there is a protocol failure as per:-

 

Safari can’t open the page “https://www.minervamodelrailways.co.uk/”because Safari can’t establish a secure connection to the server “www.minervamodelrailways.co.uk”

 

Using an Apple Macbook.

 

I have edited Chris's signature to go to the https url.

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Fine...  can you explain the difference in the injector pipework?

 

 

No. I wouldn't even be able to point at the injector pipework, let alone the differences.... :O :blush: ;)

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No. I wouldn't even be able to point at the injector pipework, let alone the differences.... :O :blush: ;)

It's either on top of the big fat square bit, or under it. Stop me if I'm getting too technical!

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No. I wouldn't even be able to point at the injector pipework, let alone the differences.... :O :blush: ;)

OK, Jordan, so let us go back to my original request...  Mr. Minerva, can we have some idea of the appearance of the various variants?  Prototype photos could do nicely.

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BTW - I asked about LT livery at Telford...  which form do I use for that version?

Oh, I do like a red engine.

 

But that will have to wait until I can afford a black one first.

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OK, Jordan, so let us go back to my original request...  Mr. Minerva, can we have some idea of the appearance of the various variants?  Prototype photos could do nicely.

 

Aren't there enough pics on t'internet?  Basically we're only looking at a 57XX with the two versions of side tanks and an 8750 - with the modern cab (and less shin damage at 1:1 scale when you're in said cab).

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Aren't there enough pics on t'internet? Basically we're only looking at a 57XX with the two versions of side tanks and an 8750 - with the modern cab (and less shin damage at 1:1 scale when you're in said cab).

57xx without top feed?: http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwr/leamingtonavenue/lnwrlave1388.jpg

 

57xx with top feed & welded tanks?: https://www.minervamodelrailways.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/5786-GWR-01.jpg

 

8750 with top feed?: http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/95/11/2951165_9ddf54fa.jpg

 

I've worked it out and I don't even like grot western...

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One thing that may confuse people is the rivetted vs welded tanks. The Wikipedia page on the 57xxs has a list of build details, including which batches had riveted tanks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GWR_5700_Class

 

PS - See also this 2014 RMweb thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/63235-57xx-panniers-with-riveted-tanks/

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Amazing what you can find with just a few keystrokes these days. Mind you the info isn't always right!

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What actually appears to be causing the confusion is the injector variations.

 

Using the following photo as reference: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/55017-6435-1/

 

The injector is the collection of pipes in front of the cab, above the footplate. On earlier loco's the pipe work is quite tidy and goes back into the cab. But on later loco's the pipe work is a bit messier, sometimes (as shown in the above link) going down through the footplate, and on others wrapping over the outside of the footplate. As shown here: http://www.railaroundbirmingham.co.uk/full_photos/gwr5764PT_at_rest_bewdley.jpg

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A very large parcel arrived this morning addressed to me.

 

It can't be...not already?

 

Fortunately it was  a box of stuff from BSA guns otherwise I might have had to be explaining where these two black engines had suddenly materialized from.

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One thing that may confuse people is the rivetted vs welded tanks. The Wikipedia page on the 57xxs has a list of build details, including which batches had riveted tanks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GWR_5700_Class

 

PS - See also this 2014 RMweb thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/63235-57xx-panniers-with-riveted-tanks/

The best references, certainly picture wise, are the seven volumes of 'Pannier Papers', V2/3/4 covering the 57xx and it's later variants.

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What actually appears to be causing the confusion is the injector variations.

 

Using the following photo as reference: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/55017-6435-1/

 

The injector is the collection of pipes in front of the cab, above the footplate. On earlier loco's the pipe work is quite tidy and goes back into the cab. But on later loco's the pipe work is a bit messier, sometimes (as shown in the above link) going down through the footplate, and on others wrapping over the outside of the footplate. As shown here: http://www.railaroundbirmingham.co.uk/full_photos/gwr5764PT_at_rest_bewdley.jpg

 

The early/late injectors bit is probably the most important to be made clear as Minerva's understanding of the term might not equate with the understanding of others (various), so does it actually refer to the injectors themselves or is it just the overflow pipes.  The welded vs rivetted tanks bit is pretty straightforward, the difference between a 57XX and an 8750 only really needs to be made clear in respect of number series and - as far as my interest goes - it is relatively simple using the right sources to identify the steam brake only engines.

 

As our cheery hippo chappy has so rightly pointed out the 'Pannier Papers' are undoubtedly the best source for both photos and written information (and you can see from there which ones had works plates as well).

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Hi Chris 'K', :)

 

Order placed, there may be another to follow too (once Ive done some more prototype research), more strength to your elbows, exciting times, with plenty of gratefully received comms. from you both.

 

As I like to run-in my models sans decoder (Im not sure if I am prescribing to a myth there, but when all is running smoothly not having extra 'electrickery' helps keep things simple for a simple soul such as me) can you let me know what sort of decoder plugs/pins will be used please.

 

Keep up the good work.

 

Kindest regards,

 

CME :)

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Hi Chris 'K', :)

 

Order placed, there may be another to follow too (once Ive done some more prototype research), more strength to your elbows, exciting times, with plenty of gratefully received comms. from you both.

 

As I like to run-in my models sans decoder (Im not sure if I am prescribing to a myth there, but when all is running smoothly not having extra 'electrickery' helps keep things simple for a simple soul such as me) can you let me know what sort of decoder plugs/pins will be used please.

 

Keep up the good work.

 

Kindest regards,

 

CME :)

Thank you for the order. The locos are fitted with 8-pin plugs as are the Peckett and Victory. The DC version is supplied with a blanking plug that is a push fit. It is very simple to remove and replace with a decoder harness.

 

Regards,

 

Chris.

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What sort of stall current are you anticipating for the motors in the pannier tanks?

 

I have an NCE Powercab which runs my Ixion Fowler quite happily, and it would be nice to know whether I will need to upgrade to a 5 amp booster for the system.

 

This is a problem because if I need a booster, I'll have to get a EE Type 3 to replace the 56xx I haven't got.

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Thank you for the order. The locos are fitted with 8-pin plugs as are the Peckett and Victory. The DC version is supplied with a blanking plug that is a push fit. It is very simple to remove and replace with a decoder harness.

 

Regards,

 

Chris.

 

Hi Chris,

 

Thanks, that sounds very easy-I like that, sounds good to me....

 

What sort of stall current are you anticipating for the motors in the pannier tanks?

 

I have an NCE Powercab which runs my Ixion Fowler quite happily, and it would be nice to know whether I will need to upgrade to a 5 amp booster for the system.

 

This is a problem because if I need a booster, I'll have to get a EE Type 3 to replace the 56xx I haven't got.

I have run my Fowler on DC controllers built for 'OO'.

 

Kind regards to all,

 

CME

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