Did Sprinter 150 020 Exist?

[warringtonbankquay]

Can anybody point me to a photo of 150 020 which in theory would have been one of the West Midlands re-formed 3-car Class 150s.

 

Apart from the prototypes 150 001/2, I have seen photographic evidence of 150 003-019 and 150 021/022, but never set 020.

 

Usual wiki type sources are vague about how many 3-car units were reformed.

 

Could it be that 19 units were originally formed, then 021 and 022 were short term temporary reformations from 003-019 and 150 020 was never formed?

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Chris

 

 

[Davexoc]

Can anybody point me to a photo of 150 020 which in theory would have been one of the West Midlands re-formed 3-car Class 150s.

 

Apart from the prototypes 150 001/2, I have seen photographic evidence of 150 003-019 and 150 021/022, but never set 020.

 

Usual wiki type sources are vague about how many 3-car units were reformed.

 

Could it be that 19 units were originally formed, then 021 and 022 were short term temporary reformations from 003-019 and 150 020 was never formed?

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Chris

According to the Class 150 feature in the Bachmann magazine, five /2 sets were split to increase ten /1 units to 3-car /0 units, these being 150 010-019 originally. With reallocations and cascading, some were reformed and other units have been disbanded and more sets strengthened. It seems that Centro subtracted 100 from their sets when adding a third car, so if they didn't have 150 120 on their books, it was probably never created.

 

Dave

[warringtonbankquay]

According to the Class 150 feature in the Bachmann magazine, five /2 sets were split to increase ten /1 units to 3-car /0 units, these being 150 010-019 originally. With reallocations and cascading, some were reformed and other units have been disbanded and more sets strengthened. It seems that Centro subtracted 100 from their sets when adding a third car, so if they didn't have 150 120 on their books, it was probably never created.

 

Dave

Thanks Dave,

 

That sounds plausible, but then raises the question of which units were reformed as 003-009.  The Bachmann Times article by Nigel Burkin mentions 'about' ten sets which makes sense for sets 010-019 , but there appears to be set numbers existing for potentially 21 or 22 of the 3-car sets.

 

150 120 was a Silverlink unit before it went to FGW.

 

I will keep researching.  Next stop is archived magazines.

 

Chris

['CHARD]

Best place is a circa 2008 bible, as the formations pre-Class 172 revolution were listed in detail.  

 

From memory there was a gap, or gaps in the buried-cab number series, and probably 150020 was never created.

[warringtonbankquay]

After a bit more digging I have found an article in Rail Express (December 2011 - page 58) which has a table showing the dispersal of the London Midland Class 150s after introduction of the Class 172s.

 

It looks more likely 150 020 never existed.

 

Chris

[Chris M]

I don't know anything about numbers but as a commuter on the Snow Hill line I was glad to see them go. Noisy, uncomfortable, unreliable.

[Roy Langridge]

According to the Class 150 feature in the Bachmann magazine, five /2 sets were split to increase ten /1 units to 3-car /0 units, these being 150 010-019 originally. With reallocations and cascading, some were reformed and other units have been disbanded and more sets strengthened. It seems that Centro subtracted 100 from their sets when adding a third car, so if they didn't have 150 120 on their books, it was probably never created.

 

Dave

Just one minor correction. These were never classified as 150/0, always remaining in the system as 150/1s.

 

Only the two prototype 150s were 150/0.

 

Roy

[edin_bry2x]

Hi Chris,

 

A quick search of fotopic produced a photo of 150120 sitting in a bay at Crewe in its original livery, next to what looks like a Class 119 i believe?

 

As some one else has already said, these units were delivered as 150101-150 all 2-car unit. Some were then reconfigured as 3-car units using cars from disbanded 150/2s, these should not be mistaken for the two original prototype units that were numbered 150001/2 and for a time into the 154 class when used for different traction package trials.

 

Bry

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