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Can you please offer advice or help on my new OO project Cadoxton Quay.

 

A fictional location set around the turn of the century on the waterfront between Barry and Penarth. The scenario in my head at the moment is…..

 

More of the Barry Dock Company coal harbour have survived to present day and as well as dock number two being used by Associated British Ports for small scale shipping and industrial basis number 4 is still in operation and this is Cadoxton Quay.

I what to build a large shunting twig , more a branch, hope to fit all I want in a layout with 12 foot of scenic display.

A small Wales and West Station, in the fashion of Barry Island. An industrial setting, small Enterprise container trains and a cement facility.

Similar in feel to the brilliant Vopak  without the chemical plant but with container handling and the odd Pacer or Sprinter thrown in.

All comments welcome, prototypical photographic inspiration, please…….

Baseboards are done, track plan is working progress, watch this space, thank you for your interest.

 

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Interesting project .

I’m planning on doing a small docks as well .

 

My inspiration is all docks recently in use inc. Boston / hull/ goole/ Newport and Barry .

 

Best advice is having a look st google earth and street view as you can get quite far into some of these places

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Being from South Wales myself and having a fascination with containers I am looking forward to seeing this layout develop

 

Chris

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Your backscene has very definite Port Talbot feel to it, but this is not the worst thing in the world for a South Wales layout!  Between Barry and Penarth the terrain is hilly but the bigger mountains are half a dozen miles or so inland, visible on the horizon but further away than this.  On the other hand, there is a Cadoxton in Neath, where the mountains crowd in more and the blast furnaces are not that far away; St Cadoc, the dark age saint who gave his name to both places, got about a bit!

 

This layout has a lot of potential, and I am looking forward to seeing more of it, and of course I strongly approve of any South Wales modelling whatever period.  Vopak is a hard act to follow, but you seem to be on the right lines!

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Your backscene has very definite Port Talbot feel to it, but this is not the worst thing in the world for a South Wales layout!  Between Barry and Penarth the terrain is hilly but the bigger mountains are half a dozen miles or so inland, visible on the horizon but further away than this.  On the other hand, there is a Cadoxton in Neath, where the mountains crowd in more and the blast furnaces are not that far away; St Cadoc, the dark age saint who gave his name to both places, got about a bit!

 

This layout has a lot of potential, and I am looking forward to seeing more of it, and of course I strongly approve of any South Wales modelling whatever period.  Vopak is a hard act to follow, but you seem to be on the right lines!

Good point on the back scene, thanks. It is one of the Gaugemaster ones and it said industry but like you say too far west for my location.

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Being from South Wales myself and having a fascination with containers I am looking forward to seeing this layout develop

 

Chris

Thanks for the interest Chris.

 

As usual with a project of mine I have progressed well with the rolling stock, but no one inch of track yet....

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Interesting project .

I’m planning on doing a small docks as well .

 

My inspiration is all docks recently in use inc. Boston / hull/ goole/ Newport and Barry .

 

Best advice is having a look st google earth and street view as you can get quite far into some of these places

Thanks, I am hoping to make a site after the Winter, the pictures I have seen of the containers in Barry with the reach stacker loading the containers is very modelable.

 

I found this pic of Goole Dock on the ABP website never seen any think like it for the bulk loader, hope I am allowed to put it here?.

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Thanks, I am hoping to make a site after the Winter, the pictures I have seen of the containers in Barry with the reach stacker loading the containers is very modelable.

 

I found this pic of Goole Dock on the ABP website never seen any think like it for the bulk loader, hope I am allowed to put it here?.

 

I think the product is steel. If you look on GEarth you can see a 66 and a train of pipes as well

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One traffic you might consider could quite logically turn up at your terminal instead of Cardiff. The good ship “Arco Dart”, which is described as a suction dredger, has a kind of “milk run” loaded down with crushed stone from the Hanson quarry in the Mendips. It is brought by lorries to Dunball Wharf, on the river Parrett just north of Bridgwater, then shipped over to South Wales.

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Can you please offer advice or help on my new OO project Cadoxton Quay.

 

A fictional location set around the turn of the century on the waterfront between Barry and Penarth. The scenario in my head at the moment is…..

 

More of the Barry Dock Company coal harbour have survived to present day and as well as dock number two being used by Associated British Ports for small scale shipping and industrial basis number 4 is still in operation and this is Cadoxton Quay.

I what to build a large shunting twig , more a branch, hope to fit all I want in a layout with 12 foot of scenic display.

A small Wales and West Station, in the fashion of Barry Island. An industrial setting, small Enterprise container trains and a cement facility.

Similar in feel to the brilliant Vopak  without the chemical plant but with container handling and the odd Pacer or Sprinter thrown in.

All comments welcome, prototypical photographic inspiration, please…….

Baseboards are done, track plan is working progress, watch this space, thank you for your interest.

 

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Like others, I'm fairly sure that's Port Talbot. The iron ore terminal is about 9 miles further west. I'm not sure where you're resided, but you've got Newport, Cardiff, Penarth, Barry all within a fairly small radius from the Severn estuary, and ports like Gloucester and Swansea being a little further out.

 

With an era, you can choose pretty much anything you like. Docks are diverse places, and although some are worked for specialised traffic, they mostly can, and will, take the business. The added bonus of course, is the rail traffic they generate.

 

By the 1930's, a lot of docks & ports were starting to run down. Bute west Dock and Penarth were early casualties, but you can still get the feel of the place.

 

I like the concept, and I'll follow this with interest.

 

Ian.

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One traffic you might consider could quite logically turn up at your terminal instead of Cardiff. The good ship “Arco Dart”, which is described as a suction dredger, has a kind of “milk run” loaded down with crushed stone from the Hanson quarry in the Mendips. It is brought by lorries to Dunball Wharf, on the river Parrett just north of Bridgwater, then shipped over to South Wales.

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IIRC, some of the stone is limestone, used as a flux in steelmaking. East Moors used to have 2 trains a day from Creigiau to Cardiff.

 

I might also need to have a look at my chemistry books....

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Before Cadoxton Quay moves off paper and the theoretical into the physical I decided to warm up with an experimental Twig called Bwrdd Rhaglennu Yard. It is South Wales based and simply 4 tracks to test locomotives and rolling stock.

 

I wanted to experiment with DCC as it is my first venture into this seemingly dark art, someone told me I need a programming track for chip adjustment so here it is.

 

The use of a cassette fiddle yard is also new to me and something to be practised before building an exhibitable Cadoxton.

 

The many card buildings now available to build or down load was something I saw I could use on an exhibition layout but wanted to experiment first.

 

Any way here is some picture a few weeks into Bwrdd Rhaglennu, advice and comment good or bad are always welcomed.

 

 

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Like the Welsh translation (very clever). The board looks great, are you taking Exhibition invites yet?

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I'm looking forward to seeing the final Cadoxton Quay, as I still have the Mag article for your Russel Bridge in my favourites folder up in the loft somewhere.

 

All the best.

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On ‎07‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 16:51, RusselBridge2017 said:

More scenics to be added this weekend, plus a lot of work needed on the back scene

 

 

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Hi Steve, are those scratch built EWS SSA scrap wagons lurking in the background? They look nice. 

Did you keep any of the stock you built for Russell Bridge? I always admired the Powell Duffryn hoods and the ballast regulator. 

 

cheers

Rich.

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Thanks for your interest Rich.

 

By complete coincidence I saw a picture yesterday of the old Russell Bridge Powell Duff wagons, I will see if I can get them posted here.

 

Well spotted on the SSA scrap wagons, it is infact a resin body I am working on, plus some scratch building too, I have a small rake work in progress, I will take a picture tonight, but here is one for the moment.

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Another South Walian here - so the name "Cadoxton Quay" immediately grabbed my attention. Plus, it's a great name anyway, and one probably not used before....

Yes, the backscene is definitely Port Talbot. I used the same one on my O gauge layout "Poynton Sneer". At one show, I had a chap come up to me, tell me the rough date of it too - because he worked for a company who had since demolished one of the chimneys visible in the scene. I wouldn't worry about it being Port Talbot though, as Cadoxton is close to the docks, and in a generally industrial area anyway. Plus, Barry has an are near Barry town station, where cliffs are a backdrop to the railway.... Other than that - you could maybe take some shots of the real location, and make a panorama of your own and get someone to print it out? Worth a thought anyway....

Looking at it again, I can recognise the backscene because I've used the same one... but others may not - besides, I think by placing those large buildings in front of it, you are partly disguising its' origins anyway. I think it also looks good with some containers placed in front of it.

I know it refers to a long bygone era - but have you seen the book "Forgotten Railways: South Wales"? There is much information in this and other volumes on the area. Perhaps something to inspire part of the scene, or features within the layout? A visit to the area always helps too - if that's at all possible for you? (sorry, I can't see where you're located).

Good luck with this project - I'm very interested to see how it progresses. And I also think the name "Bwrdd Rhaglennu Yard" is very clever - nice touch :)
 

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Me again - apologies for hijacking the thread, but apart from one or two people, I didn't have many folk coming up to me and saying "oh, that's the Gaugemaster Backscene, isn't it?"
I used the OO version (it's also available in N) for Poynton Sneer, even though it's an O gauge layout - to me, the scale of it just looked right, and I think with your large warehouse buildings placed where they are, the relative scale of it works very well here too. Here's a pic of "Poynton Sneer" - which wasn't really supposed to be set anywhere in particular - just on the outskirts of "somewhere industrial" ;) Though interestingly enough, I had a couple of people say to me that it looked either like it was South Wales, or perhaps the North East of England....
 

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3 minutes ago, marc smith said:

Me again - apologies for hijacking the thread, but apart from one or two people, I didn't have many folk coming up to me and saying "oh, that's the Gaugemaster Backscene, isn't it?"
I used the OO version (it's also available in N) for Poynton Sneer, even though it's an O gauge layout - to me, the scale of it just looked right, and I think with your large warehouse buildings placed where they are, the relative scale of it works very well here too. Here's a pic of "Poynton Sneer" - which wasn't really supposed to be set anywhere in particular - just on the outskirts of "somewhere industrial" ;) Though interestingly enough, I had a couple of people say to me that it looked either like it was South Wales, or perhaps the North East of England....
 

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Thanks for advice and comments, dont mind being hyjacked by a superbly weathered bit of rolling stock like that.....

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On 04/12/2018 at 12:59, RusselBridge2017 said:

Thanks, I am hoping to make a site after the Winter, the pictures I have seen of the containers in Barry with the reach stacker loading the containers is very modelable.

 

I found this pic of Goole Dock on the ABP website never seen any think like it for the bulk loader, hope I am allowed to put it here?.

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It's for loading/unloading steel under cover. There's a similar facility at Birdport, on the East Usk branch; though the loading facility is not directly served by rail, there is a covered rail-served warehouse. Rather than build a new siding, the building is built astride the running line to Fifoots/Uskmouth. Quite what would happen if the power station was revived, or another user set up on site is an interesting prospect.

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Russell Bridge’s Powell Duffryn Hood wagons are still going strong. The have been residing at Leaford (of this parish), for many years. But now I have my own layout (under construction) they have retuned (which is where they will be staying). I do have more RB Exiles in my 1990’s collection (will post some pics sometime).

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Hi 

Those photo backdrops look the business. Just before I scrapped Llanthony Road I was experimenting with various photos reduced proportionally with the depth of perspective I wanted to achieve, then suitably hidden amongst the fences and buildings that hid the backscene join with the base board edge. Much fun trying to find suitable photos.

 

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Steve, thumbs up with the SSA, it was my first attempt at polyurethane moulding eons ago. 

 

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hi Nigel, nice to see the PXA (JXA?) earning their keep on your new layout. They are on my 'to-do list' of scratch built wagons. I found a photo of one in EWS days (!) behind a 66 on the Welsh Marches line  with BYA nissan huts, BBA and BAA steel coils, so I'm using it as an excuse to put the PXA/JXA in early privatisation era.

 

 

Cheers

Rich.

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