harry lamb Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Thankyou John Isherwood for the information on the BZ ends and I apologise for not using your correct handle. I don't really know how these 'Forums' work as I am quite unfamiliar with them other than as a casual 'lurker' but at least I will be able to get the correct finish on the completed models. To be quite honest I can't really remember what colour the ends were other than brake rust brown and other varieties of 'muck' thrown up from the track! It was such a long time ago and Ian's picture of the painted BZ body threw me. I can't seem to find any clear colour photographs of the early BR period other than those of the vans in the blue era. So, I take it that the BZ vans should resemble the LMS 6 wheeled fish shown here but in BR coach red? If that's so I am a happy Bunny! Many thanks for the correct info. Regards. HL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 56 minutes ago, harry lamb said: .. I take it that the BZ vans should resemble the LMS 6 wheeled fish shown here but in BR coach red? In most cases, yes - but there were the odd exceptions; (aren't there always)? Coach Crimson is the usual description of the 'blood' colour associated with the early BR period. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry lamb Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Thank's for the reply John. Much appreciated. Back to the grind for me! Regards, HL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 What a superb model, sadly I just don't have the skills to put together anything like that. Pity as I would love a BZ as they appeared occsionally on the S&D milk trains. I note the Comet kit appears to have been dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 7 hours ago, w124bob said: What a superb model, sadly I just don't have the skills to put together anything like that. Pity as I would love a BZ as they appeared occsionally on the S&D milk trains. I note the Comet kit appears to have been dropped. BZs were used on most M&GN local passenger trains, instead of brake coaches. It was apparently something to do with higher capacity for parcels / agricultural produce. Any RTR product might have unusually high sales in East Anglia! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 In Volume 1 of 'BR Parcels and Passenger-Rated Stock', by David Larkin, there is a solitary photo of a lined Crimson BZ. The photo was taken at Stewart's Lane on the 09/06/1951, so the vehicle would have been pretty new. The solitary yellow line is very slightly below the door handles. Whilst it is difficult to decide whether ends are crimson or black, what is very evident is the matt finish on them, whilst the sides are gloss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 I don't think there is any doubt that the B.R. paint scheme at the time called for black ends. Body coloured ends only came in with spray painting c. 1965/6 as noted in Parkin. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted June 28, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2019 Hi Gents Here is a photo of a couple of the test builds running on the layout at the Great Central show a couple of weeks ago. The second test build has the black ends as suggested by John a few posts back. I had the pair running all three days of the show and they didn't fall off once, which was rather pleasing. Ian 10 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted June 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2019 I'm well on the way towards finishing mine, but haven't had as much time for modelling recently as I'd like. What I've done so far has gone very well, and it seems to be a well thought out and straightforward kit. I'll put some pictures on when I've finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Marshall5 said: I don't think there is any doubt that the B.R. paint scheme at the time called for black ends. Body coloured ends only came in with spray painting c. 1965/6 as noted in Parkin. Ray. To me that date seems a little late? I left school in June 1965, and have vivid memories of seeing maroon ends on coaches whilst trainspotting at lunchtime at Cambridge Cattle Market. Also around the same time the GE prefix was added to GE Section coaches. So much so that I modified at least 1 Kitmaster coach at home. I memember a posting, almost certainly in Trains Illustrated or Modern Railways, at the time of these changes. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Yes, Stewart, I was a year 'out'. I've just checked Parkin (p66) "During 1964 and 1965 the last amendment was made when the bodyside colour was continued round onto the ends of the vehicles". Ray. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Although the BZ I photographed at Reading in 1968 is in b/w I think it is quite clear that the end is black; there is a clear distinction between the side and end. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brerbz Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted June 29, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 29, 2019 On the subject of liveries, I'm thinking ahead to the eventual painting of mine and not looking forward to doing the grey chalking panels. From photos, it seems that they were often at both ends, but one of the pictures in Paul's collection shows one at the left hand end only. I also note that Ian's completed models don't carry them and if I can't think of a neat way of doing them, neither will mine. I wondered: a) Whether anyone knows of any transfers for these panels? b) In the absence of transfers, has anybody got any advice regarding how to paint these neatly? c) Is there evidence that sometimes (in either BR "red" livery) they weren't applied at all? Thanks in advance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 The ones I’ve done have just been shaped with Tamiya tape pressed well home then brush painted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted June 29, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, jwealleans said: The ones I’ve done have just been shaped with Tamiya tape pressed well home then brush painted. Thanks Jonathan, I'll get some and give it a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Interesting to see this being done. I have the Kings Cross drawing for the BZ when they produced the kit in wood in the 1960s. I had one but discarded the wooden sides but kept the roof and made a plasticard underframe. Brass channel just wasn't available in those days. ISTR the kit had square ended upper windows. I tried to resuscitate the model recently but the inside spring W irons defeated me. I'll look out the KX drawing if anyone is interested. Are there any etches left as I'd like to get one or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted June 30, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 30, 2019 I’m ordering more etches in a couple of weeks, message me if you want me to put you on the list. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkshunter Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 May I order one of the kits for 00 gauge, please, if there are any going? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted June 5, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Suffolkshunter said: May I order one of the kits for 00 gauge, please, if there are any going? You have mail Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just for fun, here's my 7mm BZ from the CRT kit: It runs on a Cleminson chassis. John 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDuff999 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 OK, nearly 18 months since your last post Ian! How can I contact you on e-mail? I am contemplating - at last - making a start on the BZ kit I bought from you in May, 2019, and have a question. Look forward to hearing from you. Ian Ogden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvoryGreen456 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) Hello, I was wondering whether these are still available or not? Many thanks, Jacob. Edited December 1, 2021 by IvoryGreen456 spelling and grammar errors 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted December 1, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2021 8 hours ago, IvoryGreen456 said: Hello, I was wondering whether these are still available or not? Many thanks, Jacob. Hi Jacob, you have mail. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Roger Sunderland Posted December 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2021 On 29/06/2019 at 19:48, 31A said: On the subject of liveries, I'm thinking ahead to the eventual painting of mine and not looking forward to doing the grey chalking panels. From photos, it seems that they were often at both ends, but one of the pictures in Paul's collection shows one at the left hand end only. I also note that Ian's completed models don't carry them and if I can't think of a neat way of doing them, neither will mine. I wondered: a) Whether anyone knows of any transfers for these panels? b) In the absence of transfers, has anybody got any advice regarding how to paint these neatly? c) Is there evidence that sometimes (in either BR "red" livery) they weren't applied at all? Thanks in advance! Fox transfers do grey chalk panels 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted December 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Roger Sunderland said: Fox transfers do grey chalk panels Thank you, I didn't know that and will bear that in mind for next time I do a van with the grey panels. Thanks also for reminding me that I said I would put a picture up of my finished van, but it seems I never did! So here it is. As you can see, I did chicken out of painting the grey panels on that one, but have since done so on various vans. Luckily they were of Gresley LNER design, so three sides of the panels can be defined by the panelling, as per the four wheeler below. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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