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2 minutes ago, runs as required said:

Too late in my life I have become a convert to the notion of "way leaves" - corridors down which we realise movement has always been likely to occur over the centuries .

I first had it demonstrated to me 20 odd years ago by Regional Planners when riding from Florence past Chiusi and Orvieto to Rome.

But one of the best UK places to witness it is at Hillmorton Locks, Rugby, looking past the medieval church at the passing WCML freight and passenger trains; the M1/M6 is over the hill, DIRFT just around the corner.

 

it seems sensible to consolidate capacity (and inter connectibility) of such corridors to accommodate evolving transportation modes and strategic networks, rather than strike out across hostile terrains.

dh 

And that consolidation is exactly what the mis-named HS2 will do by virtue of freeing capacity on the busy sections of the WCML.  

 

What then would be the alternative if the extra pair of tracks were to very closely parallel the WCML as far as, say, Rugby?  Simple answer is inevitably going to be a budgetted cost which - for that equivalent section of the route - would make HS2 look like something from the bargain basement.  if you then take the real emerging costs that parallel build will sky rocket in cost as ever more compensation is charged against it for disruption on the WCML because of what might politely e descrbed as 'emerging possession and diversion costs'.

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46 minutes ago, Phil Parker said:

If you look at any Gerry Anderson TV programme or an old Tomorrows World, the 21st Century is a lot less advanced than anyone ever predicted. 

Careful now, or people will be claiming we should build fusion reactor powered monorails instead of HS2. 

 

 

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At least up at Bamfurlong THESE little creatures are happy !!

 

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Crazy country this is becoming these days. We have NO leaders, no decision takers. I shake my head in disgust at this and other news today.

 

Brit15

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1 minute ago, pete_mcfarlane said:

Careful now, or people will be claiming we should build fusion reactor powered monorails instead of HS2. 

 

 

But not near Aylesbury.........:)

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2 minutes ago, APOLLO said:

 

Crazy country this is becoming these days. We have NO leaders, no decision takers. I shake my head in disgust at this and other news today.

 

Brit15

That's why people's trust in politicians is at an all time low (for modern times.)

 

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Yet another case of looking at whether we can afford to rather than can we afford not to.

All I can add is that, by caping HS2, inflexibility on the existing system is going to result in blowback rigidity on paths and timings thus making freight, and more pertinent, pax franchises less attractive to the private sector. (Part of the reason I wish Brother Corbyn would shut up about re-nationalisation is because it'll happen organically when it becomes apparent no private sector company, rightly, wants anything to do with anything not fiscally attractive, thus the state will necessarily have to take the reins. Socialism by default, if you will). John Major must be thrilled. 

 

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22 minutes ago, melmerby said:

 

That's why people's trust in politicians is at an all time low (for modern times.)

 

On the contrary, my trust in politicians to do exactly what is expected of them has been absolutely confirmed.

 

C6T. 

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2 hours ago, ruggedpeak said:

How can it be the backbone no frieght

"HS2 is the new railway that will be the backbone of Britain’s transport network."

 

https://www.hs2.org.uk/why/about-us/

 

"High Speed Two (HS2) is the new high speed railway we are building that will be the backbone of the national rail network."

 

https://www.hs2.org.uk/timeline-1/

 

HS2 thinks it's a railway project.

 

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1 hour ago, runs as required said:

Too late in my life I have become a convert to the notion of "way leaves" - corridors down which we realise movement has always been likely to occur over the centuries .

I first had it demonstrated to me 20 odd years ago by Regional Planners when riding from Florence past Chiusi and Orvieto to Rome.

But one of the best UK places to witness it is at Hillmorton Locks, Rugby, looking past the medieval church at the passing WCML freight and passenger trains; the M1/M6 is over the hill, DIRFT just around the corner.

 

it seems sensible to consolidate capacity (and inter connectibility) of such corridors to accommodate evolving transportation modes and strategic networks, rather than strike out across hostile terrains.

dh 

 

Also applies to Soar/Trent/Erewash valleys between Kegworth-Long Eaton destined to become a very busy area indeed. Best to build HS2 soon or it will cost a lot more.

 

Dava

 

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1 hour ago, pete_mcfarlane said:

Careful now, or people will be claiming we should build fusion reactor powered monorails instead of HS2. 

 

 

 

Someone on the BBC HYS page has already announced the building a fusion reactor would be cheaper. Scientists around the world are beating a path to their door for details since they have so far failed to make one work in any useful way.

 

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1 hour ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said:

That's your strawman.

 

I would favour the infrastructure investment going elsewhere is all.

 

Can we have an electric railway? That's Reading  to Plimuff instead of HS2 .

 

I've got me 'at n coat.

 

 

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2 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said:

That's your strawman.

 

I would favour the infrastructure investment going elsewhere is all.

Forum software doesn't want to play properly.

 

 

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2 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said:

That's your strawman.

 

I would favour the infrastructure investment going elsewhere is all.

And again. It told me to wait 3 seconds before posting.

 

 

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Just now, Siberian Snooper said:

 

Can we have an electric railway? That's Reading  to Plimuff instead of HS2 .

 

I've got me 'at n coat.

 

 

He's so keen he's asked for it twice. (I third his proposal).

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2 minutes ago, Siberian Snooper said:

 

Can we have an electric railway? That's Reading  to Plimuff instead of HS2 .

 

I've got me 'at n coat.

 

 

 

NO - All the shiny NEW O/H structure masts have been scrapped recently so I believe.

 

What a fiasco this country is.

 

Brit15

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Siberian Snooper said:

 

Can we have an electric railway? That's Reading  to Plimuff instead of HS2 .

 

I've got me 'at n coat.

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, APOLLO said:

 

NO - All the shiny NEW O/H structure masts have been scrapped recently so I believe.

 

What a fiasco this country is.

 

Brit15

 

 

 

 

Can we have dual carriageway A303 instead?

 

 

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3 hours ago, melmerby said:

That doesn't stop it from being a public and hence politically mangled project..

Bit like Brexit then. If we'd kept politicians out of it we'd have done it by now.

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8 minutes ago, APOLLO said:

 

 

 

What a fiasco this country is.

 

Brit15

 

 

I did at one time hear a German politician remark that the UK would end up having about as much influence in the world as Guernsey. 

I am seriously considering if I need to modify my view on how correct he was in his prediction.

Bernard

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Just now, Bernard Lamb said:

I did at one time hear a German politician remark that the UK would end up having about as much influence in the world as Guernsey. 

I am seriously considering if I need to modify my view on how correct he was in his prediction.

Bernard

Just the sort of half witted fear mongering nonsense that typifies delusional European discussions around brexit. I think a seat on the UN security Council, a nuclear Arsenal, a proper military (at least compared to Germany's joke of a military), our own currency (one not entirely propped up by qe and technically insolvent) means we will have influence for some time. He should be more worried about Germany's banking system being destroyed by EcB policies and the fact it is sitting on the lion's share of 1 trillion euros of sub-junk euro debt. Little wonder some of the world's most at risk banks are German. That's before their slide into recession....

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1 hour ago, melmerby said:

Only twenty miles away  we do have a fusion experement going on outside Abingdon , monorail wouldn't mind on of them into Aylesbury and to Oxford see I am not against everything. What does worry me is all the new houses forecast along proposed motorway in nth bucks.

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36 minutes ago, Phil Parker said:

 

Someone on the BBC HYS page has already announced the building a fusion reactor would be cheaper. Scientists around the world are beating a path to their door for details since they have so far failed to make one work in any useful way.

 

I remember  reading about a possible fusion reactor in The Meccano Magazine (1960's) and we are still waiting for a workable one so I won't hold my breath.

 

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13 minutes ago, ruggedpeak said:

Just the sort of half witted fear mongering nonsense that typifies delusional European discussions around brexit. I think a seat on the UN security Council, a nuclear Arsenal, a proper military (at least compared to Germany's joke of a military), our own currency (one not entirely propped up by qe and technically insolvent) means we will have influence for some time. He should be more worried about Germany's banking system being destroyed by EcB policies and the fact it is sitting on the lion's share of 1 trillion euros of sub-junk euro debt. Little wonder some of the world's most at risk banks are German. That's before their slide into recession....

I'd align myself with much of the above but probably be less confrontational about it. But yeah, what he said.

When toxic debt, credit swaps, share buy backs and pennies on the pound zero interest loans are regulated properly, maybe we'll negate all that sh*t.

Speaking as someone who hasn't had a decent wage increase for a decade. 

 

C6T. 

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49 minutes ago, Bernard Lamb said:

I did at one time hear a German politician remark that the UK would end up having about as much influence in the world as Guernsey. 

I am seriously considering if I need to modify my view on how correct he was in his prediction.

Bernard

The Germans have regarded the UK as small and in decline, and their country/European super-state as the emerging superpower, ever since German unification 150 years ago. I'm pretty certain they'll still hold the same views in 150 years time. 

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54 minutes ago, ruggedpeak said:

Just the sort of half witted fear mongering nonsense that typifies delusional European discussions around brexit. I think a seat on the UN security Council, a nuclear Arsenal, a proper military (at least compared to Germany's joke of a military), our own currency (one not entirely propped up by qe and technically insolvent) means we will have influence for some time. He should be more worried about Germany's banking system being destroyed by EcB policies and the fact it is sitting on the lion's share of 1 trillion euros of sub-junk euro debt. Little wonder some of the world's most at risk banks are German. That's before their slide into recession....

I don't quite get your point.

Pray tell what any of that has got to do with HS2, which is what most of us are discussing.

Bernard

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