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As far as I know, 3-Rail continued alongside 2-Rail for sets and everything else until 196 something.

 

Not long before the buy out by Lines Bros in 1964.

 

It was just one factor in the failure of Meccano Ltd.

 

Hornby Dublo boxes started out a light blue colour, plain, no stripes.

 

Later the colour deepened to a plain dark blue.

 

2 Rail items, but not wagons at first, was originally packed in plain red coloured boxes.

 

Blue and white striped boxes were in use by 1958, and were used at first for the 'SD6' wagons, which carried wording explaining that the wagons had plastic wheels and were suitable for 3- or 2-Rail running.

 

Other tinplate wagons,  and coaches,  factory fitted with the plastic wheel sets had a small label attached to state that the contents were suitable for 3- or 2-Rail running.

 

About 1959-1960, red and white striped boxes were adopted for 2-rail items.

 

All from my dodgy memory! ;)

 

 

 

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Loving the Art Work on the Hornby Dublo Train set, Also the A4 does seem to be the full proper one. (Funny enough, all the A4s i have are limited editions, Being Bittern, Mallard - Gold plated one and this one)

 

Also is number 257 to.

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Thanks Chris89, it is a lovely set and so redolent of the enjoyment of Hornby trains throughout the years, I think the price is very good too just for the super-detail A4, and two carriages, with the track making it a 'complete package' , just like the 1949 3-rail set.

 

As a child in the late-50s early 60s we had a 3-rail layout, assembled and removed from the 'front room' floor at regular intervals, and ran a Duchess of Montrose, Bristol Castle and an N2 , the Bristol Castle being Dad's favourite engine.  We learned how to time trains around a circuit and make accurate estimations of speed in our heads, with 1:76 and H-D straights being about 11 1/4"  curves a little longer, and 60mph being 88 ft/sec...  no wonder we did well at school! I was allowed to go to the art room and paint pictures of ships in storms while other kids did maths.  Later that year there was a tricky moment when another teacher contacted my parents to say that I was presenting my art as my own when clearly it was by someone older and more skilled, and needed to be told off.... the things you learn at school! 

 

Lying on the floor with a Duchess or Castle coming through the Hornby station at a scale 60mph was fun indeed, but we never had a A4.  

 

A deprived childhood, clearly.  :)   I might just buy a set just for the joy it evokes.

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9 hours ago, Sarahagain said:

As far as I know, 3-Rail continued alongside 2-Rail for sets and everything else until 196 something.

 

Not long before the buy out by Lines Bros in 1964.

 

It was just one factor in the failure of Meccano Ltd.

 

Hornby Dublo boxes started out a light blue colour, plain, no stripes.

 

Later the colour deepened to a plain dark blue.

 

2 Rail items, but not wagons at first, was originally packed in plain red coloured boxes.

 

Blue and white striped boxes were in use by 1958, and were used at first for the 'SD6' wagons, which carried wording explaining that the wagons had plastic wheels and were suitable for 3- or 2-Rail running.

 

Other tinplate wagons,  and coaches,  factory fitted with the plastic wheel sets had a small label attached to state that the contents were suitable for 3- or 2-Rail running.

 

About 1959-1960, red and white striped boxes were adopted for 2-rail items.

 

All from my dodgy memory! ;)

 

 

 

3 rail was never actually stopped by Meccano but very little was made into the 1960s, supplies being maintained from the overhang of excess stock. That is why genuine late production 3 rail items such as St Paddy and City of Liverpool are so collectable. The E3002 was supposed to have been issued as a 3 rail model but didn't actually come out until after the takeover by which there was no chance of this happening. 

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11 minutes ago, robmcg said:

Thanks Chris89, it is a lovely set and so redolent of the enjoyment of Hornby trains throughout the years, I think the price is very good too just for the super-detail A4, and two carriages, with the track making it a 'complete package' , just like the 1949 3-rail set.

 

As a child in the late-50s early 60s we had a 3-rail layout, assembled and removed from the 'front room' floor at regular intervals, and ran a Duchess of Montrose, Bristol Castle and an N2 , the Bristol Castle being Dad's favourite engine.  We learned how to time trains around a circuit and make accurate estimations of speed in our heads, with 1:76 and H-D straights being about 11 1/4"  curves a little longer, and 60mph being 88 ft/sec...  no wonder we did well at school! I was allowed to go to the art room and paint pictures of ships in storms while other kids did maths.  Later that year there was a tricky moment when another teacher contacted my parents to say that I was presenting my art as my own when clearly it was by someone older and more skilled, and needed to be told off.... the things you learn at school! 

 

Lying on the floor with a Duchess or Castle coming through the Hornby station at a scale 60mph was fun indeed, but we never had a A4.  

 

A deprived childhood, clearly.  :)   I might just buy a set just for the joy it evokes.

 

Most welcome, honestly it's a great price for the stock included. I will remain hopeful at somepoint will get the Late 80s/ 90s sets re-released in this style, as be a instant order for me. Especially if was to say the 225 one, from back in 1995.

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3 minutes ago, andyman7 said:

3 rail was never actually stopped by Meccano but very little was made into the 1960s, supplies being maintained from the overhang of excess stock. That is why genuine late production 3 rail items such as St Paddy and City of Liverpool are so collectable. The E3002 was supposed to have been issued as a 3 rail model but didn't actually come out until after the takeover by which there was no chance of this happening. 

 

I confess those late 3-rail models have a distinct cache of rarity and desirability, but I tell myself that the models were best when they were on metal wheels.  The late-50s models might be common but at least they are generally cheaper.  :)

 

But back to the current A4 set, I think the choice of 'Sir Nigel' is extremely good, the model looks superb, and I wonder if many buyers will treat the set the way the old 1949-64 sets were? 

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19 hours ago, robmcg said:

 

I confess those late 3-rail models have a distinct cache of rarity and desirability, but I tell myself that the models were best when they were on metal wheels.  The late-50s models might be common but at least they are generally cheaper.  :)

 

But back to the current A4 set, I think the choice of 'Sir Nigel' is extremely good, the model looks superb, and I wonder if many buyers will treat the set the way the old 1949-64 sets were? 

They won't last five minutes if they do....

 

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Hi all,

 

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned here before but it came to me the other day that Hornby has really missed a trick in not producing a newly-tooled super detailed Caledonian Pug. Like the Rocket, the pugs have been a staple of the range for many years and many people can identify with them, not to mention there are a whole host of liveries and variants spanning from the 1880s to the 1960s - most modellers would be quite pleased! They could of course also produce the famous 'tenders' to go with the models. Here are some images of Caledonia Railworks's digital pugs for the Train Simulator video game; they give a great sense of what the models could/would look like. Also, who knew the Caledonian had a lined black livery? I certainly didn't! :wacko: Anyhoo:

 

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You can see what the pug tenders might look like in the two pictures above:

 

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I can understand why it was not done seeing just how much they have already bitten off and I certainly can't complain as it is a fabulous range but I think it would have been a great model to tie into the centenary theme and ethos. Anyway, never say never, I didn't think I'd ever see a super detailed Rocket! Do you agree or disagree? Let me know, I'd love to hear your two cents on it!

 

Cheers,

 

Otis

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For years Caledonian modellers have been starved of locos because of the presence of the 0-4-0 pug and 123 4-2-2 . Which I’m sure Simon Kohler believes is the Caledonian modelled . While the pug would be a desirable wee model I’d much rather have a Dunalastair 4-4-0 or a later version that made it into BR Black ( that seems to be a factor) . Imagine a nice 4-4-0 in Caley Blue, LMS red, LMS black and early BR black . Will go well with the Rails /Bachmann 812 class 0-6-0  when it finally appears . 

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32 minutes ago, Legend said:

For years Caledonian modellers have been starved of locos because of the presence of the 0-4-0 pug and 123 4-2-2 . 

 

Doing rather better (for a certain value of better) than most pre-Grouping companies north of the Thames.

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My first train set was  the HD 3-rail'Sir Nigel Gresley' - As I recall the post-war version reflected the removal of the valances and the driving wheels and valve gear were exposed. The locomotive carried the number 7. The pre-war set, of which is possibly more appropriate that a copy be offered, did indeed have the fully valanced 'as built' A4. Undoubtedly for it's time a great model plus the fact it had those essential qualities of looking the part and reliability in service.

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44 minutes ago, tomparryharry said:

Don't worry, nothing west of Severn Tunnel either

 

Not so sure about that - Coal Tanks and Super Ds ran west of Chester, surely?

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Well, there was a railway company that ran down as far as Hereford, but we don't talk about 'them'.....

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1 hour ago, tomparryharry said:

Well, there was a railway company that ran down as far as Hereford, but we don't talk about 'them'.....

 

Rather further south than that. Almost to Risca, a few miles away from you in Newport.

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14 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

 

Rather further south than that. Almost to Risca, a few miles away from you in Newport.

 

There goes the house values....... Nine Mile Point?

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14 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

 

Rather further south than that. Almost to Risca, a few miles away from you in Newport.

 
Infiltrated down the Central Wales line to Swansea....and branches off it.Worked from Abergavenny to Dowlais etc. 

Spent time at Abercynon shed but doubtful if they ever turned a wheel  in use there.

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44 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said:

 
Infiltrated down the Central Wales line to Swansea....and branches off it.Worked from Abergavenny to Dowlais etc. 

Spent time at Abercynon shed but doubtful if they ever turned a wheel  in use there.

Paxton St had an allocation of the 0-8-0s, which were transferred to Llanelly (87F) upon closure.

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5 hours ago, Legend said:

For years Caledonian modellers have been starved of locos because of the presence of the 0-4-0 pug and 123 4-2-2 . Which I’m sure Simon Kohler believes is the Caledonian modelled . While the pug would be a desirable wee model I’d much rather have a Dunalastair 4-4-0 or a later version that made it into BR Black ( that seems to be a factor) . Imagine a nice 4-4-0 in Caley Blue, LMS red, LMS black and early BR black . Will go well with the Rails /Bachmann 812 class 0-6-0  when it finally appears . 

 

Yes that is a good point, I never thought of it like that. Strange though that no other manufacturers 'picked up' Caley models until recently as they have such a huge following. I totally agree with you, I too would much rather have something more 'substantial' but I think as an updated model for Hornby's anniversary there could have been little better. I already have the 'as preserved' 812 on pre-order and will probably get the 'as built' one if it's a different livery. I have a suspicion it will look like this:

 

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Can anyone confirm this? 

 

Thanks! 

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4 hours ago, tomparryharry said:

Don't worry, nothing west of Severn Tunnel either

 

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I would like to recommend "Working with LMS steam" by HCH Burgess published by Bradford Barton ISBN 0 85153 450 3.  My copy is dated 1983. 

 

Just might open your mind a little

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1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

Nah. These are better looking.

 

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Wow I don't remember seeing those before! I suspect that is what you call a 'Marmite livery', I can't decide whether I like it or not, 68095 rather resembles a steam roller to me in those colours. Certainly very interesting, I suspect many would buy a model of something like that as a curiosity piece if nothing else...

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4 hours ago, Legend said:

For years Caledonian modellers have been starved of locos because of the presence of the 0-4-0 pug and 123 4-2-2 ...

I don't really feel that's the cause. With  some distinct exceptions pre-group loco subjects have been generally neglected in RTR OO production. Pre-group designs that have long had models were usually either celebrities in some way, or classes that continued to be expanded by the succeeding big four company.

 

I would suggest it has only been the near exhaustion of the big four and BR classes that has led manufacturers to begin looking systematically for model subjects among the longer surviving pre-group origin classes; encouraged to an extent by the better techniques developed for HO that make smaller and awkward designs more practical.

 

A very welcome development, and one that is slowly building. Very happily, including some originating from points North. I have a good current standard model of an 0-6-0 designed at Cowlairs, now we are beginning to cook with gas...

 

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37 minutes ago, Otis JB said:

 

Wow I don't remember seeing those before! I suspect that is what you call a 'Marmite livery', I can't decide whether I like it or not, 68095 rather resembles a steam roller to me in those colours. Certainly very interesting, I suspect many would buy a model of something like that as a curiosity piece if nothing else...

 

68095 is a NBR G Class/LNER Y9 and the one on the right is an "Industrial" version which I think is the oldest surviving member.

 

https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/neilson-co-works-no-2203-ncb-no-13-kelton-fell-0-4-0st/

 

These and the Caledonian ones are the same basic design which was originally built by Neilson & Company.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBR_G_Class

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonian_Railway_264_Class

 

My main reason for pointing that out is if you are going to do one to modern standards you might as well make the other as well. The main difference is the cabs.

 

 

 

Jason

 

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1 hour ago, Covkid said:

 

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I would like to recommend "Working with LMS steam" by HCH Burgess published by Bradford Barton ISBN 0 85153 450 3.  My copy is dated 1983. 

 

Just might open your mind a little

 

Thank you, I'll try to find a copy. 

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