RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted October 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2020 39 minutes ago, £1.38 said: I have drawings if you want to give it a try Is this ugly? Needs a bit of paint and a good going over with copious quantities of t-cut, but that aside, it's got a certain presence. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted October 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2020 13 hours ago, £1.38 said: Agudio rope-powered locomotive Don't tell the DfT, they'll start getting ideas .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 This creation takes the biscuit... https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?p=965788#p965788 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 8 hours ago, £1.38 said: That’s an upscale “Walking Dudley”: https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/8/8/888374/43afe828-9389-4e86-b2c2-146d337bd4c0-A32034.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, maico said: This creation takes the biscuit... https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?p=965788#p965788 The livery certainly does! Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) Cable haulage using rope grippers is actually quite different, technically. The actual prime mover isn’t on the moving carriage, for one thing. It provides positive support for changes of direction, and the radii are very large. The rope can be much stronger because it doesn’t need the flexibility. The forces in the rope can be much higher because the rope is stronger, and the place it DOES need to bend - at the driving and return drums - can be as large as required, and provided with positive, fixed alignment control. It’s an old technology which has worked well in its designed applications. Edited October 2, 2020 by rockershovel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 15 hours ago, pH said: That’s an upscale “Walking Dudley”: https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/8/8/888374/43afe828-9389-4e86-b2c2-146d337bd4c0-A32034.jpg .... which is actually, a good illustration of the practical application of the principle; it requires only that the endpoints be fixed, and there are plenty of tree stumps in the woods (even allowing for the ones occupied by incontinent pontiffs... ). The whole installation is highly portable and the overall length, whatever is required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2020 20 hours ago, SHMD said: It ain't pretty! Kev. True, but I don't feel that I am occupying any high ground in this matter such as I would feel justified in criticising it... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) On 01/10/2020 at 19:43, maico said: This creation takes the biscuit... https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?p=965788#p965788 Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! ... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! Surely that belongs in the “Imaginary locos” thread? Edited October 3, 2020 by rockershovel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Jackson Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 On 19/03/2020 at 09:00, rob D2 said: Monstrous ( gonna have to self isolate now so I’m not beaten up...) I find your lack of faith disturbing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 02/10/2020 at 12:13, rockershovel said: Cable haulage using rope grippers is actually quite different, technically. The actual prime mover isn’t on the moving carriage, for one thing. It provides positive support for changes of direction, and the radii are very large. The rope can be much stronger because it doesn’t need the flexibility. The forces in the rope can be much higher because the rope is stronger, and the place it DOES need to bend - at the driving and return drums - can be as large as required, and provided with positive, fixed alignment control. It’s an old technology which has worked well in its designed applications. Only in lifts as far as I can see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, 96701 said: Only in lifts as far as I can see. Still in operation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_cable_car_system An example in the UK was the original Glasgow subway, later converted to electric motors on the trains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Subway 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) Another example of cable haulage in Scotland was the extensive Edinburgh cable tram network. http://www.hows.org.uk/personal/rail/incline/ed.htm Edited October 14, 2020 by JeremyC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artless Bodger Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 The original London and Blackwall railway used something similar, with carriages clipped to the rope and detaching at each station, you had to join the right carriage for your destination, and for some journeys go to the Minories end and go back. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldomtom2 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 23 pages and no mention of the WHR's Russell as cut down for use on the Ffestiniog? Absolutely hideous (though this picture obscures the true horror of the dome), especially considering the attractiveness of the engine as originally built, and to top it off the mutilation was pointless as the clearances on the Ffestiniog were still too tight. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 19, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 19, 2020 I know money was tight and under Col. Stephens a bit like rocking horse doodoo, but a restyled cab and capped chimney could have made this a sleek and powerful, modern looking locomotive; it's the brutality of the chopping down that jars! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted October 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) I know it was a shocking mutilation but to me the cut-down Russell was an essential part of the Welsh Highland image and because there are so many more photos of it in this form than in its original state, the restored machine is to me not really "Russell". I wonder if its custodians have ever considered manufacturing an alternative set of fittings so it could on occasions appear in 1930's guise. And I can't help thinking that Russell's companion Moel Tryfan actually looked slightly better after being cut down; its original cab and chimney look to me disproportionately tall for its long, low form. https://www.welshhighlandheritage.co.uk/whrhg_gallery/locos/moel-tryfan/ Edited October 20, 2020 by Andy Kirkham 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Russell looks fine to me. They should have got rid of the brass dome though as otherwise it looks quite modern. Has a bit of an Avonside look. Photo Ben Brooksbank Wiki. Jason 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Russell looks fine to me. They should have got rid of the brass dome though as otherwise it looks quite modern. Has a bit of an Avonside look. Photo Ben Brooksbank Wiki. Jason Im inclined to agree - the dome is simply poor workmanship, but otherwise the same comments occur about the rebuilt Alco 2-6-2T which I actually quite liked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Industrial fireless steam accumlator locomotives can look fugly. They were used where there was a steam source like power stations and in plants where there was a danger of fire and explosion. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, maico said: Industrial fireless steam accumlator locomotives can look fugly. They were used where there was a steam source like power stations and in plants where there was a danger of fire and explosion. Ah well, that's a foreign one! Our home-grown Bagnalls, Barclays and even a Peckett looked quite nice (although the Peckett in particular looks a lot less nice in its current guise with no cladding - a fate which has sadly befallen many fireless locos). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted October 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 hours ago, RJS1977 said: Ah well, that's a foreign one! Our home-grown Bagnalls, Barclays and even a Peckett looked quite nice (although the Peckett in particular looks a lot less nice in its current guise with no cladding - a fate which has sadly befallen many fireless locos). Is that because the cladding is asbestos? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 hours ago, maico said: Industrial fireless steam accumlator locomotives can look fugly. They were used where there was a steam source like power stations and in plants where there was a danger of fire and explosion. Its Percy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcm@gwr Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, rockershovel said: Its Percy! On steroids! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Steam tram locomotives are generally boxy and ugly, but this one surely beats the lot when it comes to aesthetic horror Make a model of that and no-one will believe you actually finished it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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