truffy Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, John M Upton said: The coverage of the DJM meltdown and subsequent collapse has not really been banner headlines in the mags that I have seen. So, hardly serving (the less internet-savvy portion of) their readership then! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 If I recall correctly, at the time the respray business went belly up, and the resultant fallout from it with people out of pocket, there was a thread on RM Web about it. 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amand Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Markwj said: Hopefully no one would be daft enough to be that frontman! Let's hope he doesn't get a job with Coopercraft! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted June 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, Amand said: Let's hope he doesn't get a job with Coopercraft! Quite the contrary. They deserve each other. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amand Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Quite the contrary. They deserve each other. I meant it ironically!!!! Can you imagine the train wreck that would be! Edited June 13, 2020 by Amand Type 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Amand said: Let's hope he doesn't get a job with Coopercraft! 44 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Quite the contrary. They deserve each other. 7 minutes ago, Amand said: I meant it ironically!!!! Can you imagine the train wreck that would be! I'd buy a ticket! Mike. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Parker Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 4 hours ago, John M Upton said: The coverage of the DJM meltdown and subsequent collapse has not really been banner headlines in the mags that I have seen. That would be because they are magazines and not newspapers. None do banner headlines for news as a general rule - but most mentioned it on their news pages but even then coverage will be limited to the facts that can be proven. There are still libel laws which apply to paper publications. Yes, someone could spend many thousands of pounds trying to get to the bottom of everything but it won't sell any more magazines. I doubt many readers knew who DJM were anyway. I'm constantly surprised how little product knowledge is shown in Facebook posts. He might have made waves on here, but that's not really representative of the wider population. 4 10 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted June 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, Phil Parker said: That would be because they are magazines and not newspapers. None do banner headlines for news as a general rule - but most mentioned it on their news pages but even then coverage will be limited to the facts that can be proven. There are still libel laws which apply to paper publications. Yes, someone could spend many thousands of pounds trying to get to the bottom of everything but it won't sell any more magazines. I doubt many readers knew who DJM were anyway. I'm constantly surprised how little product knowledge is shown in Facebook posts. He might have made waves on here, but that's not really representative of the wider population. I wouldn't expect investigative journalism or doorstep interviews, but, given the amount of page space dedicated to announcements of his various schemes over the years, then perhaps a quarter page dedicated to a general overview of people's options with regard to trying to get their money back would have been useful IMHO. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Half-full Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, Phil Parker said: That would be because they are magazines and not newspapers. None do banner headlines for news as a general rule - but most mentioned it on their news pages but even then coverage will be limited to the facts that can be proven. There are still libel laws which apply to paper publications. Yes, someone could spend many thousands of pounds trying to get to the bottom of everything but it won't sell any more magazines. I doubt many readers knew who DJM were anyway. I'm constantly surprised how little product knowledge is shown in Facebook posts. He might have made waves on here, but that's not really representative of the wider population. Its quite surprising how many folk who buy model railways who have never heard of Bachmann or Dapol, never mind all the smaller suppliers. Or those who have heard of them but rubbish them because its not Hornby. Overheard at the Preston exhibition this year when a chap was asking if a trader had any Hornby Class 73s, trader explained that they didnt but did have Dapol ones, the chap said "Im not buy any of that Chinese rubbish" and walked off. The trader, a few other folk at the stand and I had a right good laugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Half-full Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, Amand said: I meant it ironically!!!! Can you imagine the train wreck that would be! DJ's trains are already wrecks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted June 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 13, 2020 55 minutes ago, Half-full said: The trader, a few other folk at the stand and I had a right good laugh His vote counts exactly the same as yours though, which is slightly sobering. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted June 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil Parker said: ... I'm constantly surprised how little product knowledge is shown in Facebook posts... I hope you don't mind Phil. Kev. 3 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dibber25 Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2020 On 12/06/2020 at 18:03, Covkid said: IMHO, although we are talking about 1982, I would expect railway modelling sage Chris Leigh aka "Dibber 25" to have remembered the Prime Minister's cup event. Perhaps not actually the event, moreso from a "trade press" happening. I mean, it is not everyday, that your favourite hobby's profile is raised to such an extent. All very strange really, but I do hope we can collectively get to the bottom of it. I didn't move over from Railway World to Model Railway Constructor until 1983 so I probably wouldn't have picked up on this momentous event, although Steve's office was only across the corridor from mine. Mind you, the fact that it was Maggie might have put Steve off. The press would surely have been invited to No. 10 - I would love to have met the woman whose government had pushed the interest rate on my mortgage to 15%!! I can't recall encountering Dave until much later. My earliest memory of him was when he was operating Enthusiast Resprays, in the early days of Model Rail and he was based not far from Peterborough. I have very mixed feelings about this thread, which will in all probability be the epilogue to the DJM story. I appreciate that many people are out of pocket and have the right to feel aggrieved and to make their views known. No one is all good or all bad. I crossed swords with Dave once or twice over different issues but as a magazine journalist for 55 years there are few manufacturers that I haven't crossed the odd sword with, once in a while. The 'scoring system' on Model Rail reviews was often a point of contention with manufacturers who felt their model hadn't been scored high enough. DJ expected everything he made to score 100%. He isn't the first person to have an over-rated view of their own ability and for it to be their downfall. Pride comes before a fall. (CJL) 14 2 2 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said: Flagged without any mention of the tesprays, so not really flagged. Nope, it was flagged. The company was called N'thusiast Resprays and has been mentioned many times on RMweb and other forums. But I guess being restricted and concerning only N gauge the majority of OO modellers probably were unaware and/or didn't bother to check it out further. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Parker Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, spamcan61 said: I wouldn't expect investigative journalism or doorstep interviews, but, given the amount of page space dedicated to announcements of his various schemes over the years, then perhaps a quarter page dedicated to a general overview of people's options with regard to trying to get their money back would have been useful IMHO. We are 15 pages in to a discussion on a dead parrot firm. A quarter page wouldn't do the job and would be followed by endless arguments that someone's view hadn't been properly represented. And that's before you have people, as has happened on another DJM thread, suggesting the press should be liable for some of the lost money because they reported his announcements. It's a no win situation. 1 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 57 minutes ago, Phil Parker said: We are 15 pages in to a discussion on a dead parrot firm. A quarter page wouldn't do the job and would be followed by endless arguments that someone's view hadn't been properly represented. And that's before you have people, as has happened on another DJM thread, suggesting the press should be liable for some of the lost money because they reported his announcements. It's a no win situation. Happy to say I haven't heard that one. Shoot the messenger, eh? (CJL) 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted June 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, grahame said: Nope, it was flagged. The company was called N'thusiast Resprays and has been mentioned many times on RMweb and other forums. But I guess being restricted and concerning only N gauge the majority of OO modellers probably were unaware and/or didn't bother to check it out further. Flagging properly would have meant something on a DJM OO and N threads along the lines of "before spending your money have a read about Dave Jones's venture called N'thusiast resprays and how it went belly up." There was no proper flagging along those lines and no reason for an OO modeller to make any link between Dj Models and N'thusiast resprays unless it was specifically pointed out. All we got were comments like "I don't pay for anything until I've read positive reviews" much too subtle to be seen as flagging the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil Parker said: suggesting the press should be liable for some of the lost money because they reported his announcements. It's a no win situation. AFAIK, that wasn't the point being made: 9 hours ago, John M Upton said: Indeed there may still be a few poor souls out there blissfully unaware that their money has disappeared into a big black hole and are still anticipating the arrival of their King/APT/whatever... The coverage of the DJM meltdown and subsequent collapse has not really been banner headlines in the mags that I have seen. More a point of communication than liability. Banner headlines aside. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said: All we got were comments like "I don't pay for anything until I've read positive reviews" much too subtle to be seen as flagging the problem. There are also comments about people loosing money with Dave Jones when he ran N'thusiast Resprays. I don't think they were particularly subtle. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted June 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2020 Any links? I may have to eat humble pie if I can be convinced. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted June 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2020 12 hours ago, Amand said: I meant it ironically!!!! Can you imagine the train wreck that would be! So did I. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted June 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said: Any links? I may have to eat humble pie if I can be convinced. I have only ever read about DJM on this forum. My over-riding impression was anyone giving any sort of warning was shouted down and accused of having an agenda (as if having previous isnt a good enough reason to flag something!). I found it interesting that when it went belly up the mods immediately put out a warning against people saying I told you so. That surely recognises a lot had? 4 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2020 It's about time this thread was closed down, the film is already five hours long! Mike. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold pheaton Posted June 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hal Nail said: I have only ever read about DJM on this forum. My over-riding impression was anyone giving any sort of warning was shouted down and accused of having an agenda (as if having previous isnt a good enough reason to flag something!). I found it interesting that when it went belly up the mods immediately put out a warning against people saying I told you so. That surely recognises a lot had? I've just seen a 15 page thread on TINGS similar format to what started here (the startup of dj models) lots interest...but some caution about n thusiast respray and people who have waited months for things etc etc... but it does reference a specific thread on rmweb by a customer of n thusiast resprays which talked about major issues he had and not to go near him....but it was removed assumingly to prevent potential legal issues. Edited June 14, 2020 by pheaton 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted June 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2020 10 hours ago, Phil Parker said: And that's before you have people, as has happened on another DJM thread, suggesting the press should be liable for some of the lost money because they reported his announcements. It's a no win situation. It's the way society is going. It's all me, me, me and everything is everyone else's fault. It's a long dive down to the lowest common denominator. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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