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Broadland MRC opened last week, 6 person bubbles each time,  you are pre booked in that bubble.. I've chosen Friday, we've got 4 nights / afternoons booked so far . We are lucky in renting our own premises so can open any time, any day..

Not all our members have yet chosen a bubble...

 

The rooms have been kitted out with sanitiser etc.

The T bar facilities are not to be used.

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6 minutes ago, snitchthebudgie said:

I think we need a careful read of the conditions, fully out on Monday.  It may be, according to a friend, that organised covid-safe meetings will be OK.  It's casual social get togethers that are the main target.  (No MRC raves?)

That is my interpretation of the ruling, if there is organized distancing control then you are ok, ....no raves :( best cancel the strippers then 

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8 minutes ago, sixteen 12by 10s said:

That is my interpretation of the ruling, if there is organized distancing control then you are ok, ....no raves :( best cancel the strippers then 

that'll make it hard to install the wiring...

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here's the relevant information, as confusing as ever

 

"From 14 September, whether indoors or outdoors people from different households must not meet in groups of more than 6. This limit does not apply to meetings of a single household group or support bubble which is more than 6 people. Community facilities following COVID-19 secure guidelines can host more than 6 people in total, but no one should visit or socialise in a group of greater than 6. Further information on social contact rules, social distancing and the exemptions that exist can be found on the guidance on meeting with others safely. These rules will not apply to workplaces or education settings, alongside other exemptions. See more details on what has changed.

If partaking in permitted activities users of COVID-19 secure community facilities should limit their social interactions with anyone they do not live with. Whilst activities may have 6 or more people participating (where it is safe to do so and capacity permits) it is important for all parties to maintain socially distant, 2 metres or 1 metre with actions taken to reduce the risk of transmission (where 2 metres is not viable) between households. For example, use of face coverings and encouraging good hand hygiene on entering premises and throughout visit."

 

the first paragraph advises no more than 6 and the second contradicts it, 

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That's an interesting quote because it says entering a premises which seems to imply a building. where as my Sailing club have been interpreting that as going onto the sailing club land. It appears that the sailing can go on as they were with 30, , as we could have nearly 100 on the island without breaking the 2M rule while launching the boats.

 

 Our MRC could hold more than the 6 person bubbles we have arranged, probably up to 12, as long as the two bubbles don't interact. since that's spread over 6 layouts that's not a problem

 

I think the quote is heavy on stopping the socialising and keeping 2m apart  but trying to keep clubs of our type open..

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1 hour ago, sixteen 12by 10s said:

 

I have posted elsewhere on this topic, but what are other clubs opinions on reopening, after the changes on the 14th of this month ?

 

This was mentioned on a club conference call last week.

 

For several reasons, we did not feel ready to return to a normal or regulated club night. We use shared premises, which I accept makes a difference.

The new restrictions next week make absolutely no difference to us in the short term. We have insufficient information to consider anything further off, so will review our situation frequently.

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1 hour ago, sixteen 12by 10s said:

here's the relevant information, as confusing as ever

 

" Community facilities following COVID-19 secure guidelines can host more than 6 people in total, but no one should visit or socialise in a group of greater than 6."

 

 

So it's OK to have one bloke working on the club layout with another half dozen standing around in another room drinking tea all evening.  Sounds pretty much like a standard club meeting before the virus

 

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1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said:

 

This was mentioned on a club conference call last week.

 

For several reasons, we did not feel ready to return to a normal or regulated club night. We use shared premises, which I accept makes a difference.

The new restrictions next week make absolutely no difference to us in the short term. We have insufficient information to consider anything further off, so will review our situation frequently.

we moved out of a community center in February, where we had a small room, not more than a storage room, and if we where still there we would not be able to open at all. We now have a spacious room and can't use it to its full potential ! 

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This afternoon my club has been discussing the government's new social distancing guidance and we believe that in the absence of anything more specific, we best fit into their category of a leisure venue.  So with no additional local restrictions down here in Cornwall, this means that we can still meet up in groups of six people, as long as each group avoids social interaction with each other.  We have more than one layout and sufficient space in our clubroom to accommodate a separate socially distanced group for each, so we can operate in much the same way as a pub or restaurant accommodates its customers at different tables.  The government advice is specifically:

 

3. Rules in other venues and activities

Venues following COVID-19 secure guidelines will be able to continue to host more people in total - such as religious services in places of worship - but no one should visit in a group of greater than 6. When you visit one of these places, such as a pub, shop, leisure venue, restaurant or place of worship you should:

* follow the limits on the number of other people you should meet with as a group - no more than six people unless you all live together (or are in the same support bubble)

* avoid social interaction with anyone outside the group you are with, even if you see other people you know

* provide your contact details to the organiser so that you can be contacted if needed by the NHS Test and Trace programme

 

We also have the luxury of a coffee area so those who mostly just come to chatter might end up forming a third group there.  We'll probably give it a try anyway and see how well it works.   It's all very contrived but so are the guidelines. I somehow think we'll still be hurling abuse at each other across the room though, social interaction of a sort, some would say!

 

As a further example of the iniquity of the guidelines, my 88 year-old mother lives in Solihull which has just come under new restrictions for meeting in homes.  As she is 'bubbled' with my sister, the only way I can now visit her in compliance with the new guidelines there, is if we both visit her local pub where we can eat/drink as a group - we can legitimately meet up there, but not in the much safer environment of her own home.  Bonkers!

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we had a committee meeting earlier, and decided to go down the route of been "a covid safe environment" this means we have to have a risk assessment,  covid policy, and also enforce social distancing at all times, basically, we see the rule (and they are bloody confusing to say the least) that if the national social distancing rules are followed, you can do what you want. we are going to address this by dividing the club room into 2m squares, and only one person will occupy a square at a time, face coverings will be compulsory, this is to limit contaminating surfaces. 

It looks like this problem will be around for some time, so we need to find safe ways to get on with life, i will let you know how we get on 

 

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We have been using leisure as our guidelines,  however with the maximum  of six per group  it makes meetings hard plus the added 2m  or 1m rule

I know that we all say yes we can get into groups of six  but staying in them groups  is hard, all it needs is a shiny new loco that someones just brought or even made and we are all of it like a rash to see it run or making a cupper  as we dont want to seem to be rude to a fellow member now that its law we a clubs can be fined for breaking this law  we are all struggling  due to loss on income from shows and other means but can you afford the fine because we can keep to our groups 

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I passed by my club this morning (Reading Society of Model Engineers). The outdoor tracks are now available one Saturday a month for pre-booked club members. I didn't physically go on to the club premises, partly to help reduce the numbers on site, and to protect the more vulnerable members and also because technically I haven't paid my subs yet (we've been told we don't need to until our own sections of the club restart). However it was nice to just sit outside the fence and watch a procession of 5" and 7 1/4" locos going round for half an hour or so, as well as to see a few folk I know at an appropriate distance.

 

Technically, under the new rules (6 people from multiple households), the 00 section could now restart as there are currently only five of us. Whether it would be wise to, is another matter.

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12 hours ago, darren chpamn said:

We have been using leisure as our guidelines,  however with the maximum  of six per group  it makes meetings hard plus the added 2m  or 1m rule

I know that we all say yes we can get into groups of six  but staying in them groups  is hard, all it needs is a shiny new loco that someones just brought or even made and we are all of it like a rash to see it run or making a cupper  as we dont want to seem to be rude to a fellow member now that its law we a clubs can be fined for breaking this law  we are all struggling  due to loss on income from shows and other means but can you afford the fine because we can keep to our groups 

Daz

 

This is where the rules are confusing, as ever!, my interpretation of them is this. If you can keep people 2m apart, then the 6 in a group rule doesn't come into play. think of it like this, pubs and restaurants have multiple tables, and as long as they can keep them apart, or put up a physical barrier, then they can entertain as many groups of 6 upto the capacity of the venue. I'm still mystified by it myself, just trying to find if there is an advisory body that you can run your case past 

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We have opened our club room in Heywood but now there are some club members saying we should close because of the local lockdowns in our areas. 
we have 5,000 sq ft of club room to deal with and we have put signs down for 2m distance, all the signs are up sanitiser is everywhere. 
but are we allowed to stay open or not the rules are so misleading. 
 

Mark T 

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4 hours ago, sixteen 12by 10s said:

This is where the rules are confusing, as ever!, my interpretation of them is this. If you can keep people 2m apart, then the 6 in a group rule doesn't come into play. think of it like this, pubs and restaurants have multiple tables, and as long as they can keep them apart, or put up a physical barrier, then they can entertain as many groups of 6 upto the capacity of the venue. I'm still mystified by it myself, just trying to find if there is an advisory body that you can run your case past 

 

Sorry, but you are incorrect here: This is one of the few things that the government guidelines ARE clear about... “avoid social contact with anyone outside the group [of six] you are with, even if you see other people you know”.   So we are now expected to stick to our groups of up to six maximum, and not intermingle with other groups.

 

Intermingling between groups represents a line that should definitely not be crossed. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Chamby said:

 

Sorry, but you are incorrect here: This is one of the few things that the government guidelines ARE clear about... “avoid social contact with anyone outside the group [of six] you are with, even if you see other people you know”.   So we are now expected to stick to our groups of up to six maximum, and not intermingle with other groups.

 

Intermingling between groups represents a line that should definitely not be crossed. 

 

 

i am not going to argue, or quote on the subject anymore, until i find somebody with authority that can say yes or no, and the outcome is safe for those involved, its not in my nature to argue on a subject that i know little about. Lets just put faith in the boffins to sort out this mess 

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I agree that it seems quite clear that there should be absolutely no intermingling between groups and it is up to the club's committee to put in place measures to ensure that doesn't happen - eg some form of segregation within the club room.

 

Of course the rules in England are much more lax than the ones that apply here in Scotland.  We can also have a group of six, but those six individuals are to be from a maximum of two households and individuals must social distance from other individuals in that group of six who are not from the same household.  Since almost all of our members live in separate households, the social limit that we need to abide by is two.  Of course the reduction in the number of allowable households was reduced from three to two, just as I was working on an access rota that would have allowed members to visit in bubbles of three.  As such, our plans for reopening are now back on hold as it isn't really viable to have two groups of two, because they would have to share the access, toilet and it would be difficult to keep the pairs of households apart, since our club room is not that big.

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On 13/09/2020 at 10:04, mark axlecounter said:

We have opened our club room in Heywood but now there are some club members saying we should close because of the local lockdowns in our areas. 
we have 5,000 sq ft of club room to deal with and we have put signs down for 2m distance, all the signs are up sanitiser is everywhere. 
but are we allowed to stay open or not the rules are so misleading. 
 

Mark T 

 

As you say the rules are missleading but if you stick to the main ones then you should be ok. Ive been involved with a local support group to help those shelding and we work closely with the council and we have had the following info given to us and its updated as and when. 

 

You can say open but no more than 6 people at a time indoors, the famous 'bubble'. You can't mix bubbles, so say one member wanted to go and work on a difffent layout then they wouldn't be able too.

 

If members are living in a local lockdown area then they shouldn't be leaving thier homes unless shopping, going to work if they cant work at home, attending doctors/medical appoinments so shouldn't be attending the club rooms as its not an activity that is needs to be done to live.

 

If the club rooms are in a lockdown area then I would say close to try and prevent the transmission of the virus.

 

Where I live one local town is in lockdown and those resedenst of that town are now travelling to any other town as thier pubs are closed but they still want to drink so are possibly transmitting it to a new area.

 

I have to say diffrent areas may have diffent infomation or rules to follow so If anyone isn't sure of whats the best course of action for thier area then contact the local council/goverment body and they can advise.

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12 hours ago, Dungrange said:

I agree that it seems quite clear that there should be absolutely no intermingling between groups and it is up to the club's committee to put in place measures to ensure that doesn't happen - eg some form of segregation within the club room.

 

Of course the rules in England are much more lax than the ones that apply here in Scotland.  We can also have a group of six, but those six individuals are to be from a maximum of two households and individuals must social distance from other individuals in that group of six who are not from the same household.  Since almost all of our members live in separate households, the social limit that we need to abide by is two.  Of course the reduction in the number of allowable households was reduced from three to two, just as I was working on an access rota that would have allowed members to visit in bubbles of three.  As such, our plans for reopening are now back on hold as it isn't really viable to have two groups of two, because they would have to share the access, toilet and it would be difficult to keep the pairs of households apart, since our club room is not that big.

 

Wales is in a similar state from today. Plans we had are torn up.

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