RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, AngusDe said: You're talking to a guy who, to date, has been unable to remove a Dapol 26 body that supposedly just slides off, lol! Angus In fairness, the Dapol 26/27 bodies are a very tight fit, and for operation to be described as "just slides off" isn't entirely accurate! But, if the design for the 17 is as DJM originally declared, the fuel tank idea should be a good one Best Scott. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AngusDe said: You're talking to a guy who, to date, has been unable to remove a Dapol 26 body that supposedly just slides off, lol! Angus Hi Angus The Dapol 26 body can be a real swine to get off, that one really doesn't reflect any lack of capability. Diesel bodies in general can be tricky because they have to be a snug fit. Of course we don't know exactly how the Clayton fuel tank comes off yet, but I would hope it to be a lot easier! Regards Roy Edited August 10, 2020 by Roy L S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted August 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) My 2 are due from Rails tomorrow! Afraid I jumped the gun there. Should have put my glasses on to read the mobile phone! All I got was a Collett coach which I hadn't ordered instead of a wagon load which I had! Sorry for raising hopes. Edited August 13, 2020 by Crepello Inaccurate post. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Pah! My two still show on my RoS account as pending... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 17 hours ago, Crepello said: My 2 are due from Rails tomorrow! Checked again this morning. Rails still show the 17s as a forthcoming release, so either they need to update their website or there is something odd going on with your order. No doubt in a matter of hours we will find out! Regards Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted August 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2020 Hi I went to order one from Rails who are offering free postage but as soon as I added a decoder it added postage. I assume this is due to the decoder being in stock and the class 17 being a preorder. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, PaulCheffus said: Hi I went to order one from Rails who are offering free postage but as soon as I added a decoder it added postage. I assume this is due to the decoder being in stock and the class 17 being a preorder. Cheers Paul No, postage is free on the Clayton so it seems it must be some kind of anomaly probably because they are looking to send the decoder on its own. Regards Roy Edited August 12, 2020 by Roy L S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted August 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2020 well just ordered a blue one from Kernow . Thanks to all involved in getting this to market after DJM failed at the 11th ish hour. Hopefully it will covert to 2mmfs fairly easily. Equally hopefully BR lines will get spares quickly as well. Robert 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JR_P Posted August 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2020 5 hours ago, PaulCheffus said: I went to order one from Rails who are offering free postage but as soon as I added a decoder it added postage. I assume this is due to the decoder being in stock and the class 17 being a preorder. It always does that even if both/all items are in stock.... always seemed silly to me, because in the past its meant I’ve actually spent less with them as I’ve just bought the loco with free postage, when I also wanted to add on some additional items (perhaps as much again as the loco in £ terms) to my order - thus they lose revenue overall in my opinion.... adding a decoder to the basket is an obvious item likely to be appended to a loco order. i don’t imagine the postage costs RoS an order of magnitude more if you add on more stuff.... since they are paying your postage anyway, you would think they would want to cash-in on that fact and encourage you to fill your basket !!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted August 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2020 4 hours ago, JR_P said: It always does that even if both/all items are in stock.... always seemed silly to me, because in the past its meant I’ve actually spent less with them as I’ve just bought the loco with free postage, when I also wanted to add on some additional items (perhaps as much again as the loco in £ terms) to my order - thus they lose revenue overall in my opinion.... adding a decoder to the basket is an obvious item likely to be appended to a loco order. i don’t imagine the postage costs RoS an order of magnitude more if you add on more stuff.... since they are paying your postage anyway, you would think they would want to cash-in on that fact and encourage you to fill your basket !!! Hi Yep it does seem very silly. I’ve ordered the loco but will get the decoder from Digitrains next time I go to visit my son in Lincoln. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin1985 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I'm very temped to buy one for my Speyside themed distillery mini-layout - in the hope that it is a simple conversion to 2mm, although the photos on the Rails website do make the wheels look a little worryingly Dapol like. Hopefully they can be turned down relatively easily? I don't really know much about the prototypes though, apart from the fact they were so unreliable. I had a feeling that many were withdrawn before even being painted into BR blue. So would a heavily weathered green loco still be plausible for the very final years of operation? Basically I think the green livery looks better on them! There only seems to be one variant in green with full yellow ends, and no weathered version of that. Was that an uncommon livery variation in real life? Did most stay in green with small yellow panels until repainting into blue, or directly to scrapping? Or would a "last knockings" green loco definitely be a full yellow ends green? Cheers Justin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, justin1985 said: I'm very temped to buy one for my Speyside themed distillery mini-layout - in the hope that it is a simple conversion to 2mm, although the photos on the Rails website do make the wheels look a little worryingly Dapol like. Hopefully they can be turned down relatively easily? I don't really know much about the prototypes though, apart from the fact they were so unreliable. I had a feeling that many were withdrawn before even being painted into BR blue. So would a heavily weathered green loco still be plausible for the very final years of operation? Basically I think the green livery looks better on them! There only seems to be one variant in green with full yellow ends, and no weathered version of that. Was that an uncommon livery variation in real life? Did most stay in green with small yellow panels until repainting into blue, or directly to scrapping? Or would a "last knockings" green loco definitely be a full yellow ends green? Cheers Justin 25 examples were green with full yellow ends by July 1968. Still in green at August 1970 were 16 examples. best Scott. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin1985 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, scottystitch said: 25 examples were green with full yellow ends by July 1968. Still in green at August 1970 were 16 examples. best Scott. Thanks Scott! Were the 16 surviving green examples in August 1970 all from the 25 that had full yellow ends though? Or did some survive until 1970 with small yellow panels? Not a big deal when I'm bending history to get one on the layout at all, but I am curious J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, justin1985 said: Thanks Scott! Were the 16 surviving green examples in August 1970 all from the 25 that had full yellow ends though? Or did some survive until 1970 with small yellow panels? Not a big deal when I'm bending history to get one on the layout at all, but I am curious J The information I have comes from Hooper's An Illustrated Historical Review: Clayton Type 1 - Class 17. Of those green in 1970, the following were green full yellow by 68: 8562 8586 8598 Of those green in 1970, I THINK the book is saying the following were still with small panels: 8505 8531 - There is actually a photograph of this machine in 1976 (!), still awaiting the torch, in this livery Best Scott Edited August 13, 2020 by scottystitch Aditional info (in bold). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 So there is photo of a review sample of the Class 17 over on the N Gauge Forum, and the DCC chip goes into the easy to remove fuel tank. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I wonder if there might be room in the tank for a Micro-Cube speaker, that could be worth exploring... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac1960 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 I have a Green one with small Yellow ends and a Blu one on order, but does anybody know the actual release date for it yet ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, mac1960 said: I have a Green one with small Yellow ends and a Blu one on order, but does anybody know the actual release date for it yet ? Kernow model centre are saying that they will be released by the end of August. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 That's not long to wait at all, in fact just about long enough for me to persuade myself I should order another! Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffAlan Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 If these have, as I read elsewhere, been shipped, then it poses some questions re DJM's collapse. I assume, correct me if I'm wrong, that these are the ones l9ng promised by DJM. My take is that DJM, having commissioned the production run from the factory, was unable to make the payment to get them shipped. If that's so, then DJM, were, perhaps, not too far off remaining in business. Which goes against much of what's been written, here and elsewhere about his business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, GeoffAlan said: My take is that DJM, having commissioned the production run from the factory, was unable to make the payment to get them shipped. If that's so, then DJM, were, perhaps, not too far off remaining in business. Which goes against much of what's been written, here and elsewhere about his business. Well, apart from funding ongoing work on Class 92 and APT and other stuff he'd taken "deposits" on, just for starters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, GeoffAlan said: If these have, as I read elsewhere, been shipped, then it poses some questions re DJM's collapse. I assume, correct me if I'm wrong, that these are the ones l9ng promised by DJM. My take is that DJM, having commissioned the production run from the factory, was unable to make the payment to get them shipped. If that's so, then DJM, were, perhaps, not too far off remaining in business. Which goes against much of what's been written, here and elsewhere about his business. Hi Geoff. Yes, it is the one that DJM initiated, but he never got it further than 1st EP and was unable to progress the project because of a dispute over the tooling (it later became clear it had not been paid for). He even asked prospective purchasers to pay up front to fund the 2nd EP but since he could not progress the model this was refunded. So, DJ never got as far as finishing the tooling and getting to 2nd EP stage and had certainly never got as far as commissioning a production run. What happened was that the factory retained the tooling and sought a purchaser/commissioner of a production run, having supplied at least one finished and unpainted loco for testing and reviewing. EFE have clearly taken this model on subsequently and commissioned the locos that are soon to be released - nothing to do with DJM at all. So to conclude no, this loco was never even close to production under the DJM banner and release now doesn't indicate anything positive about the health or viability of DJM at all. Regards Roy Edited August 15, 2020 by Roy L S 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2020 If you have a read of the threads in the DJM section you will get chapter, verse, indeed the whole library on the whole sorry DJM saga. You might need a few days spare to read it all mind.... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffAlan Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 18 hours ago, Roy L S said: Hi Geoff. Yes, it is the one that DJM initiated, but he never got it further than 1st EP and was unable to progress the project because of a dispute over the tooling (it later became clear it had not been paid for). He even asked prospective purchasers to pay up front to fund the 2nd EP but since he could not progress the model this was refunded. So, DJ never got as far as finishing the tooling and getting to 2nd EP stage and had certainly never got as far as commissioning a production run. What happened was that the factory retained the tooling and sought a purchaser/commissioner of a production run, having supplied at least one finished and unpainted loco for testing and reviewing. EFE have clearly taken this model on subsequently and commissioned the locos that are soon to be released - nothing to do with DJM at all. So to conclude no, this loco was never even close to production under the DJM banner and release now doesn't indicate anything positive about the health or viability of DJM at all. Regards Roy Thanks for that. I am therefore pleasantly surprised just how quickly this has come to fruition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, GeoffAlan said: Thanks for that. I am therefore pleasantly surprised just how quickly this has come to fruition. I know a lot of Clayton fans (me included) are absolutely over the moon by the announcement, having thought that our chance for a RTR one in N went with the demise of DJM! Roy 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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